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What class is Gandalf?

  • Wizzzzard

    Votes: 26 27.4%
  • Sorcerer

    Votes: 7 7.4%
  • Cleric

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Bard

    Votes: 10 10.5%
  • Paladin

    Votes: 8 8.4%
  • Warlock

    Votes: 9 9.5%
  • Wizard/Fighter multiclass

    Votes: 8 8.4%
  • Fighter

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Other class

    Votes: 14 14.7%
  • Other multiclass

    Votes: 5 5.3%


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Alzrius

The EN World kitten
To borrow an image from an old Dragon magazine, which was posted here the last time this came up:

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aco175

Legend
I voted wizzzard but more a NPC mage-type. As a NPC, he can have any power the DM wants to have him fit the game.

His big problem however is that he is played in a 'low-magic' game world and is stuck getting crap.
 

squibbles

Adventurer
First thing to note is that The Hobbit Gandalf, like the tone of everything in The Hobbit, is way different than Lord of the Rings Gandalf.

Hobbit Gandalf is a lot closer to a wizard. LotR Gandalf is almost a non-caster.

Gandalf is a Dexterity Paladin.

Charisma.
No spellbook.
Turn Undead.
Detect Fiend.
Flamestrike.
Longsword.
Aura.
Summon steed.
Ethical conduct.
Remove curse.

The list goes on.
This is spot on, and it's what I answered, but there are things it doesn't cover very well. The flaming pine cones vs. wargs aren't represented too well by flamestrike, it's more like weak cantrip damage (maybe he gets it from Narya, the ring of fire, his OP magic item).

If I wanted to get as close to Gandalf as possible?
Celestial Warlock - Pact of the Blade (and Staff).
Yeah, that fits really well too.

[...] In the Hobbit when the dwarves are captured by the goblins(orcs). There is a flash like lightning and the smell of ozone and several goblins fall dead. He does that twice at least, maybe three times. I can't remember for sure.
Doesn't he also cast darkness there?
 





Found this in a thread on reddit, but I won’t dare to assign a class.

  • Fire and light manipulation: This is Gandalf's most commonly seen power - he is described as having "made a special study of bewitchments with fire and light", suggesting he is exceptionally talented in this area. His feats include emitting light from his staff, breaking the Bridge of Khazad-dûm using white light, dispelling the Nazgûl using white light, and killing multiple orcs with "a terrific flash like lightning". His staff seems to be important in performing this magic, and of course it's hotly debated whether his possession of the Ring of Fire was linked to his light and fire abilities.
  • Telepathy: Gandalf can seemingly read Frodo's mind while he is asleep ("It has not been hard for me to read your mind and memory") and communicates with Elrond and Galadriel by thought alone. He is also able to tell that the One Ring is beyond his influence after reuniting with Aragorn's party.
  • Telekinesis: Gandalf can move (and change the colour of) smoke rings without physically touching them. He also disarms Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn and breaks Saruman's staff.
  • Blessing: Gandalf blesses both Bill the pony and Butterbur's beer. Bill subsequently escapes to Rivendell against the characters' expectations.
  • Healing: Gandalf is able to heal Theoden, both spiritually and physically ("You do not know your own skill in healing").
  • Transmogrification: Gandalf suggests he is capable of turning a hobbit into an animal ("And see that Sam Gamgee does not talk. If he does, I really shall turn him into a toad"). There's no hard evidence that Gandalf was joking when he said this, and in fact I'd argue it would be out of character for him to joke about things he was entirely incapable of doing.
  • Opening and closing spells: Gandalf uses "various incantations" in an unsuccessful attempt to open the trolls' cave. At the Doors of Durin, he mentions knowing over 200 spells for opening doors. Later, at the Chamber of Mazarbul, he refers to knowing "many" shutting spells.
  • Word of Command: Gandalf speaks a word of Command to counter the Balrog's counter-spell. The context suggests that this is a means of making his own spell stronger.
  • Compulsion: Gandalf is able to force Saruman to look at him against his will using only his voice.
  • Creation of magical items: Gandalf gifts the Old Took "a pair of magic diamond studs that fastened themselves and never came undone until ordered" (although it's possible these were made by someone else). His fireworks could also be interpreted as being magical.
Inspiration - Gandalf brings hope to people. The White Rider counters the effects of the fear from the Nazgul, for instance, and his talk to Theoden helps bring him back from the despair he has sunk into. We are told in the Silmarillion that he often does this in secret, putting fair thoughts into elves' heads without them knowing the source.

Insight - He has a particularly strong gift for seeing the way things should be. He knows, somehow, that calling on a mere hobbit to join 13 dwarves would lead to some unnatural good. He knows that Merry and Pippin would serve a strong purpose in joining the Fellowship. He knows that Bilbo did right to show Gollum mercy. He knows there is something wrong with the ring Bilbo finds...

Pity - For a powerful being Gandalf shows an exceptional amount of pity and care for all those who dwell in Middle-Earth. He travels all lands, he communes with those high and low, and he knows details of the most little things. Not because he seeks knowledge, like Saruman, but because he really cares about all these things. And in the end this gives him a power to move the world for good.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
This is spot on, and it's what I answered, but there are things it doesn't cover very well. The flaming pine cones vs. wargs aren't represented too well by flamestrike, it's more like weak cantrip damage (maybe he gets it from Narya, the ring of fire, his OP magic item).

Yeah, his fire ring Narya can easily explain the Fire Bolt cantrip or similar effects, for things that catch fire. As well as the smoke rings cantrip-like effect.

Generally, radiant damage can be "flame-like", and spell thematics where the player decides what the spell effect looks like is legal.

The Blessed Warrior fighting style grants two Cleric cantrips, which isnt too helpful, but, heh, Thaumaturgy is a cantrip of "opening" and "closing" things.
 
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Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
  • Telekinesis: Gandalf can move (and change the colour of) smoke rings without physically touching them. He also disarms Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn and breaks Saruman's staff.
Maybe it's the D&D player in me, but I always viewed that as a form of the prestidigitation cantrip and not something so grand as telekinesis.
 
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Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Well, in LotR magic is different. But his beggest abilites seem to be knowing things, so we probably want expertise. Combine that with decent blade skills in the movies and he could be a bard.
 


Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
Found this in a thread on reddit, but I won’t dare to assign a class.

  • Fire and light manipulation: This is Gandalf's most commonly seen power - he is described as having "made a special study of bewitchments with fire and light", suggesting he is exceptionally talented in this area. His feats include emitting light from his staff, breaking the Bridge of Khazad-dûm using white light, dispelling the Nazgûl using white light, and killing multiple orcs with "a terrific flash like lightning". His staff seems to be important in performing this magic, and of course it's hotly debated whether his possession of the Ring of Fire was linked to his light and fire abilities.
  • Telepathy: Gandalf can seemingly read Frodo's mind while he is asleep ("It has not been hard for me to read your mind and memory") and communicates with Elrond and Galadriel by thought alone. He is also able to tell that the One Ring is beyond his influence after reuniting with Aragorn's party.
  • Telekinesis: Gandalf can move (and change the colour of) smoke rings without physically touching them. He also disarms Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn and breaks Saruman's staff.
  • Blessing: Gandalf blesses both Bill the pony and Butterbur's beer. Bill subsequently escapes to Rivendell against the characters' expectations.
  • Healing: Gandalf is able to heal Theoden, both spiritually and physically ("You do not know your own skill in healing").
  • Transmogrification: Gandalf suggests he is capable of turning a hobbit into an animal ("And see that Sam Gamgee does not talk. If he does, I really shall turn him into a toad"). There's no hard evidence that Gandalf was joking when he said this, and in fact I'd argue it would be out of character for him to joke about things he was entirely incapable of doing.
  • Opening and closing spells: Gandalf uses "various incantations" in an unsuccessful attempt to open the trolls' cave. At the Doors of Durin, he mentions knowing over 200 spells for opening doors. Later, at the Chamber of Mazarbul, he refers to knowing "many" shutting spells.
  • Word of Command: Gandalf speaks a word of Command to counter the Balrog's counter-spell. The context suggests that this is a means of making his own spell stronger.
  • Compulsion: Gandalf is able to force Saruman to look at him against his will using only his voice.
  • Creation of magical items: Gandalf gifts the Old Took "a pair of magic diamond studs that fastened themselves and never came undone until ordered" (although it's possible these were made by someone else). His fireworks could also be interpreted as being magical.
Inspiration - Gandalf brings hope to people. The White Rider counters the effects of the fear from the Nazgul, for instance, and his talk to Theoden helps bring him back from the despair he has sunk into. We are told in the Silmarillion that he often does this in secret, putting fair thoughts into elves' heads without them knowing the source.

Insight - He has a particularly strong gift for seeing the way things should be. He knows, somehow, that calling on a mere hobbit to join 13 dwarves would lead to some unnatural good. He knows that Merry and Pippin would serve a strong purpose in joining the Fellowship. He knows that Bilbo did right to show Gollum mercy. He knows there is something wrong with the ring Bilbo finds...

Pity - For a powerful being Gandalf shows an exceptional amount of pity and care for all those who dwell in Middle-Earth. He travels all lands, he communes with those high and low, and he knows details of the most little things. Not because he seeks knowledge, like Saruman, but because he really cares about all these things. And in the end this gives him a power to move the world for good.
Sounds like a bard, then.
 

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