D&D 5E What do you think should be done with alignment?

[le Redoutable]

On the contrary, thats why Batman is able to go rogue while maintaining his lawful alignment.

ok I wanted to point out that LG people shouldn't use stealth or Hide in Shadows, because that may lead to confusion to " only the good die young "
look if you dare at the Thief from older Editions : He couldn't be LG ( am I wrong ? )

 

[payn]

ok I wanted to point out that LG people shouldn't use stealth or Hide in Shadows, because that may lead to confusion to " only the good die young "
look if you dare at the Thief from older Editions : He couldn't be LG ( am I wrong ? )

I'd guess that the name thief implies they must run afoul of the law. Which, is why the class name was changed to Rogue?

 

[le Redoutable]

When your focus is on you as an individual, rather than a greater whole, how is that lawful? Chaotic people can have strong codes. Two Face has a a particular personal rule even!

I'd say he's CG (usually) with lawful ideals of justice (except Adam West Batman, who is LG). But this is why it's a poor shorthand.

I'd say his focus on his own wants, rather than working to improve the society he claims to want to benefit makes him chaotic. He's a cishet white male billionaire super scientist with 18's in every stat. The idea that he can't change Gotham for the better and improve the system is ludicrous. He's chaotic because he puts nothing above his own personal quest for vengeance. It's worth noting Batman kills people, notably Darkseid. Like the Pirate Code, it's really more of a guideline.

Two Face ! with a name like that he's surely CN lol
( Tazer Face ! )

 

[le Redoutable]

I'd guess that the name thief implies they must run afoul of the law. Which, is why the class name was changed to Rogue?

Thief includes Spying
while Rogue ... includes Krav Maga ( the Israelian " martial Art " which is so violent that they filmed a " Fight Club " atrocity )

 

[Zubatcarteira]

I don't find it particularly useful, but don't really mind it being around as it is.

 

[Jefe Bergenstein]

ok I wanted to point out that LG people shouldn't use stealth or Hide in Shadows, because that may lead to confusion to " only the good die young "
look if you dare at the Thief from older Editions : He couldn't be LG ( am I wrong ? )

Yeah, the old 1E Thief couldn't be LG. Maybe even 2nd edition as well.

Stealth, well, specifically sneak attacks, is a good thing to consider for how society thinks of it. Is it considered dishonorable or cunning? Smart or cowardly? Authoritarian states would seek to demonize it (outside of their own secret police) with the old "if you have nothing to hide..." adage. The old Cavalier code IIRC allowed for sneaking for certain things, but not ambushes.

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

I have never had a substantial problem with alignment in any game I've played in or run since 1976 when I started playing. I explain my alignment concerns to players at the outset of any campaign. If something comes up in-game, I explain it again and players make choices while FULLY informed of how I run it and WHY I run it that way. I also have players who don't try to abuse alignment for gain, or push it wildly beyond what it is intended to do and then claim it's broken.

I've written REAMS about alignment over the years. I know what to use it for and how. I ensure my players do as well. Nothing more is needed and the classic 9-alignment system works quite well for the purposes as I have defined them for myself and players.

 

[le Redoutable]

to get back to Batman, perhaps he is a tormented soul ...

 

[Vaalingrade]

Alignment, Anti-Videogame Rant and Psionics all on the front page.

We're a Fighter/Caster thread away from assembling the Four Horsemen of the D&Dpocalypse.

 

[Minigiant]

This Batman discussion is why since this topic, I've gone completely to Wrestling Alignment and not turned back.