Willie the Duck
Hero
No, your strength is how far you can jump without making an athletics check.How far you jump in the long jump is how strong you are?
I had no idea I had around a 22-23 STR in High School.
No, your strength is how far you can jump without making an athletics check.How far you jump in the long jump is how strong you are?
I had no idea I had around a 22-23 STR in High School.
No that's highly unreasonable. That's supernatural, It's beyond supernatural. It's literally stronger than a Grizzly, and is stronger than an Elephant.
But you'd think it would be inaccurate the other way, right?Wait, you're saying that D&D stats don't accurately depict real life? Craziness.
Or...the descriptions of which STR ranking means are dubious, due to poor research on the part of WotC. Meaning, it doesn't matter as much what they say - as long as the scale within the game is consistent.But you'd think it would be inaccurate the other way, right?
Not that the mightiest warriors of Faerun would be soundly styled on by Earth humans in almost every way possible.
Sort of puts all the 'but my goliath should be stronger than any halfling' arguments in their place. You golaith isn't even stronger than most buff dudes.
Consistent doesn't mean 'not aggravating' like how the max anyone ever can lift is 'sadness'.Or...the descriptions of which STR ranking means are dubious, due to poor research on the part of WotC. Meaning, it doesn't matter as much what they say - as long as the scale within the game is consistent.
Ha, well not sort of aggravation goes back decades...at least for me. Like, why is hand-eye coordination, agility, and foot speed all folded into the same thing? What do you do with a major league baseball player, like Vlad Guerrero Jr? Massively strong, incredible hand-eye, but slow as a turtle and probably couldn't dodge a nerf ball.Consistent doesn't mean 'not aggravating' like how the max anyone ever can lift is 'sadness'.
No, your strength is how far you can jump without making an athletics check.
Long jumps are also covered under Acrobatics (Dexterity). And under those rules, Mike actually failed his Acrobatics check since he falls prone after the landing. (I know, I know...it's absurd that a human could fail a skill check and still break a World Record, but them's the rules.)So, going back the OP with the World record holder...
With those checks, with a 30 check roll for the world record set, there is no set thing for is STR on the record holder. We could assume he could regularly jump 27 feet with no problem everytime...so with a passive check, if we follow the ability score rules and give them a +5 for advantage...they'd have at least a 32 STR???
That is if we say it requires a check rather than use the movement rules, and acknowledge that there are distances that the running long jumper hits EVERY TIME...they aren't going to fail, even if you roll a 2, and they don't fail 5% of the time either.
Not sure that would work...so the STR = jumping distance probably works better as I'm still not clear why it would require a check when the rules stipulate that the running long jump distance = STR.
A Dragon Turtle only has a Strength of what, 25?
All it tells me is that Dragon Turtles and other large monsters maybe ought not be measured with the same scale as PC (or some massively multiple levels of Powerful Build should be mentioned to square the circle on their carrying capacity).
Officially, a Large creature can carry and lift twice what a Medium creature of the same Strength can. Huge is double that (4x), and Gargantuan double that (8x).Could I assume that big monsters have some sort of powerful build feature, maybe call it huge build or massive build that lets a dragon turtle do things with its mass, like move a house off its foundation.
We've already said the strength scores of creatures and animals don't make sense compared to characters.
I think the trouble is with the way that the rules describe Strength. If we wanted Strength to model the real-world, and I'm not saying that we do, the amounts given for lifting and carrying capacity would need to change. At the very least.
No, I'm looking at the entry for Long Jump, on page 182 of the Player's Handbook. It flatly states that you cover a horizontal distance equal to your Strength score. Equal to. There is no mention of feats or features, and no mention of any dice roll.* The distance is the number, according to the rules. (shrug) No rolls are made.No, you're looking at Strength in isolation of other feats or class features or skills.
Some power lifter likely has a Feat, Class Feature, Skill or other ability that lets him lift more than his Strength score indicates.
PCs dont run off raw ability scores alone when doing things, why should anyone else?
No, I'm looking at the entry for Long Jump, on page 182 of the Player's Handbook. It flatly states that you cover a horizontal distance equal to your Strength score. Equal to. There is no mention of feats or features, and no mention of any dice roll.* The distance is the number, according to the rules. (shrug)
Same for holding your breath. The number of minutes you can hold your breath is equal to 1 + your Constitution modifier. There are no feats or skill checks or DCs.
*Unless you are trying to clear a low obstacle, or landing on difficult terrain. Only these specific circumstances call for dice.)
I'm pretty sure I'm looking at the rules for a long jump.Monks of 2nd level can jump far further.
Yoire looking at ability scores in isolation of other attributes the athlete may have.
They use magic to achieve feats like that. D&D monks do not exist in the real world.Monks of 2nd level can jump far further.
Yoire looking at ability scores in isolation of other attributes the athlete may have.
DnD nothing exists in the real world.They use magic to achieve feats like that. D&D monks do not exist in the real world.
I'm pretty sure I'm looking at the rules for a long jump.
No, you're looking at ...
You keep saying that I'm doing these things...looking at certain things, assuming other things, but I'm not. I promise, I'm only looking at the rules for a long jump, as they are written on page 182 of the Player's Handbook. Those rules are pretty clear.You're assuming...
You keep saying that I'm doing these things...looking at certain things, assuming other things, but I'm not. I promise, I'm only looking at the rules for a long jump, as they are written on page 182 of the Player's Handbook. Those rules are pretty clear.
Which still is way less than one would expect. You'd think a dragon turtle could easily carry an elephant. But no it can't. Stone giant can lift about the twice what Hafthor can. You'd think they would be massively powerful, being able to hurl big boulders, but no. The strength math is just broken.Officially, a Large creature can carry and lift twice what a Medium creature of the same Strength can. Huge is double that (4x), and Gargantuan double that (8x).
So officially, a dragon turtle can carry 25 x 15 x 8 = 3000 lbs. and lift 25 x 30 x 8 = 6000 lbs. About six times Hafthor's record here.
(Also, the dragon turtle's Strength 25 is basically a Medium creature's Str 200...)