I've been looking more closely at the Arcane Disciple feat (from Comp.Div.), and considering related feats as well. Arc.Disc. allows the PC to add domain spells to his usual spell list, but does that imply "access" as required as a prerequisite in other feats? What does "access to a domain" actually mean, anyway?
What does "access to a domain" actually mean?
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Cedric
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It means that through a Class Ability, such as that possessed by the Cleric or a few PrCs, you must have one or more "Domains"...Good, Healing, Sun, Light, War, Destruction, etc. etc. Possessing one of those domains satisfies the requirement for having "access" to it.
You have to specifically have the domain, with it's domain power. Merely possessing the spells listed by the domain does not qualify.
You have to specifically have the domain, with it's domain power. Merely possessing the spells listed by the domain does not qualify.
As much as I'd like to take your word for that, additional resources or confirmation would be nice.
Hmmm. Here's what the Wizards.com SRD rtf file says (excerpt) under the cleric's class ability descriptions:
"If a cleric is not devoted to a particular deity, he still selects two domains to represent his spiritual inclinations and abilities. The restriction on alignment domains still applies. Each domain gives the cleric access to a domain spell at each spell level he can cast, from 1st on up, as well as a granted power. The cleric gets the granted powers of both the domains selected. With access to two domain spells at a given spell level, a cleric prepares one or the other each day in his domain spell slot. If a domain spell is not on the cleric spell list, a cleric can prepare it only in his domain spell slot."
The domain grants access to domain spells. In another sentence, the cleric gets a power associated with the domain.
But the only time the word "access" is used is in reference to the spells themselves.
Hmmm. Here's what the Wizards.com SRD rtf file says (excerpt) under the cleric's class ability descriptions:
"If a cleric is not devoted to a particular deity, he still selects two domains to represent his spiritual inclinations and abilities. The restriction on alignment domains still applies. Each domain gives the cleric access to a domain spell at each spell level he can cast, from 1st on up, as well as a granted power. The cleric gets the granted powers of both the domains selected. With access to two domain spells at a given spell level, a cleric prepares one or the other each day in his domain spell slot. If a domain spell is not on the cleric spell list, a cleric can prepare it only in his domain spell slot."
The domain grants access to domain spells. In another sentence, the cleric gets a power associated with the domain.
But the only time the word "access" is used is in reference to the spells themselves.
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moritheil
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Driddle said:
There is some argument over the interpretation, but Cedric's POV is pretty centrist on this issue. Most DMs do not allow, say, the Arcane Disciple feat (mage adds spells from one domain to spell list) to qualify for access to a PrC because it does not grant the domain power. OTOH there are PrCs that grant the domain fully (including power) and those are widely accepted as being superior to things like Arcane Disciple (the feat.)
moritheil said:
Considering that this is the part of the board that deals most heavily in specific details and accurate references, one should be careful of making sweeping generalizations such as declaring the fact that "most DMs" act one way or another.
Now, "I think most DMs would not allow something" is another matter entirely. Likewise, "It's been my experience that..."
And certainly if we get enough responses here on this thread, we can more safely jump to a conclusion about majority opinions. But not until.
moritheil
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Driddle said:
Oh no! The horror of making sweeping statements that imply "IME"! The world will end!
FWIW, it's most DMs "on the boards" and based on previous discussions of this issue. But seriously, do you believe that any harm can come of omitting IME? Is someone going to take what they read on the boards as gospel?
moritheil said:Oh no! The horror of making sweeping statements that imply "IME"! The world will end!
FWIW, it's most DMs "on the boards" and based on previous discussions of this issue.
Well why didn't you just say so?! Point me to those threads and we won't have to repeat ourselves here. Silly person.
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