What if? Levels...

Andor

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I had a thought just now...

I've always been a bit iffy on the idea that levels don't exist inside a D&D world. They are too central to how things operate. And while it may be hard to tell a 4th level fighter from a 5th level fighter by looking at him, no such confusion can occur with a wizard. The 5th level wiz is the one who's flying. :D

So what if levels are a perfectly known and familiar element inside the game world? They probably would not called 'levels' to be sure, but still known. My idea for how to work this into a positive story/rping element is this: The players don't know how much experience they have. When the character thinks he's earned a level he calls upon [His god, the powers that be, the supreme judge, the purple monkey, whatever] and is recites a list of worthy deeds. If he is judged worthy (IE has enough XP) he get's his level miraculously. If not he get's zotted by a bolt from the blue and loses some unknown amount of exp. (Say 1d4 X Level X 100 xp. Which only the GM rolls and he's the one who knew how much XP was needed in the first place.) Perhaps this zot is rumoured to possibly be much worse sometimes. This then explains the generally low levels of commoners. They have not dared to risk a curse merely for another d4 hp.

So Paul the Paladin kills the Big Orc who was stirring up the local trouble and figures that ought to be enough to tip the scales and allow him to earn a level. So when he gets back into town (It could probably be done anywhere, but levels are a big deal so why not do it right?) he goes to his temple and organizes a ceremony where he calls upon Heironeous to judge him.

"Oh great and good Heironeous! I Paul the Paladin call upon you to judge me this day! If I am worthy grant me the power of the 5th rank that I may better serve you, Oh Lord of Smiting. Since my last rank was achieved I have journied far from the temple where I was trained. Along the road I slew many bandits thus bringing Order to the world. Also a wandering ooze which was Good for it might otherwise have preyed upon the innocent. I came to the town of Ignatz where I learned of the depredations of the orc raider Greentusk and came to value the friendship of the locals. I then did many battles with Greentusks raiders and their associated monsters. I have even this last day slain Greentusk himself thus ending a force for evil and chaos in this world!"

(Pauls player crosses his fingers and hopes he really did get a roleplaying award for that tavernwench in Ignatz.)

A cloud of Glory appears before Paul and proclaims "PAUL THOU ART WORTHY IN MY SIGHT. HERE IS THE POKEBALL OF THE 5th RANK." and a bolt of silver lightning zots Paul and gives him a HD. The watching commoners shiver with fear and awe and decide that the fall harvest really wasn't much to boast about before a God.

Would something like this add to your game?
 

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Andor said:
So what if levels are a perfectly known and familiar element inside the game world? They probably would not called 'levels' to be sure, but still known...

Without commenting on your "bolt from the blue" idea, I'll point out that in OD&D and 1E AD&D, every class level had a distinct title, presumably the actual in-game class ranking for every character. (A fighter would be Veteran, Warrior, Swordsman, Hero, etc.) They ran out of distinct titles around 9th, and then the whole system was scrapped in 2E, as I recall.
 

That sounds kind of cool. I could definitely see it working. I'm not a huge fan of it for a base (I like vaguely defined levels that represent some sort of "training" instead), but it seems like a world feature I could learn to love. Quirky, flavorful, very "active gods." I like it. :)
 

Reminds me of Arhnold-Conans prayer to Crom
"Crom, grant me victory, grant me revenge. And if you will not grant them to me, then the hell with you!

Its flavourful although not something I'd do
 

Wizards IMC are referred to by the max spell level they can cast - Wizard of the First Circle (1st-2nd level), Wizard of the Second Circle (3rd-4th level) etc.
 

Sounds like the old level titles by class from BD&D (and perhaps other versions I've not seen). It's not an idea I like - if nothing else, one would expect the level titles to vary a great deal by culture, which just adds yet one more thing for the DM to worry about.

Plus, how does the common man tell a 5th level Wizard apart from a 6th level Sorcerer, or a Fighter apart from a Warrior?
 

S'mon said:
Wizards IMC are referred to by the max spell level they can cast - Wizard of the First Circle (1st-2nd level), Wizard of the Second Circle (3rd-4th level) etc.
Similar to my old stuff in my game world (not in the typical games).

I have Inner, Middle and Outer ring of the First (spell levels 1-3), Second (spell levels 4-6) and Last Circle (spell levels 7-9).

And I like to add "exams" for the three level ups between the Circles.
 

Darklone said:
Similar to my old stuff in my game world (not in the typical games).

I have Inner, Middle and Outer ring of the First (spell levels 1-3), Second (spell levels 4-6) and Last Circle (spell levels 7-9).

And I like to add "exams" for the three level ups between the Circles.

And straight out of Dying Earth, as well as some of the Dragonlance stories.
 


pawsplay said:
And straight out of Dying Earth, as well as some of the Dragonlance stories.
Cute, I didn't know anymore where I had that from.

Spells as valence levels... orbitals...

Interesting how an MT might work then with bonds...
 

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