What is a DWEOMER?

What does this word mean? Anyone have a handy definition? I know it has to do with spell effects, but....

I would especially like to know whether this word has a known etymology, or if it is just a made-up word.
 

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From Pjotr:
Do you know the exact meaning and etymological roots of the word dweomer? It is often used in fantasy literature as a synonym for "magic spell", but I was unable to find the word in any dictionary. can you help?

Of course we can help but, boy, those fantasy novels certainly go out of their way to use obscure words! What's wrong with straightforward words like cantrap? We are not surprised that you couldn't find this word in a dictionary. As far as we can tell, it occurs only once in medieval literature - in a work from around 1205. Even then it does not occur alone but in the compound term dweomer-craeften meaning "magic art". It is thought to be related to the Old English gedwimer (or gedwomer) "sorcery".

Then again, there is the song by Supertramp: "Dweomer... can you put your hands in your head? Oh no!"

It's pronounced DWEEM-er
 

candidus_cogitens said:
What does this word mean? Anyone have a handy definition? I know it has to do with spell effects, but....

I would especially like to know whether this word has a known etymology, or if it is just a made-up word.

It simply means 'magic' or 'sorcery', nothing more. When Eowyn called the King of the Nazgul "foul dwimmerlaik" she meant that he was a creation of sorcery.

"Dweomer" is Old English, attested only in compounds, and very obscure. The word died a eight hundred years ago, and ought to have been left in its grave. Never use it.

Regards,


Agback
 
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In the recent computer RPG Morrowind, Dweomer is an adjective that refers to Dwarves (like, used instead of the word "Dwarven"). It threw me for a loop until I figured out what the heck they were talking about. An old ruin built by dwarves would be a "Dweomer Ruin", etc...

By most any standard, this is a strange useage of the word and in no way fits it's original meaning.
 
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MerakSpielman said:
In the recent computer RPG Morrowind, Dweomer is an adjective that refers to Dwarves (like, used instead of the word "Dwarven"). It threw me for a loop until I figured out what the heck they were talking about. An old ruin built by dwarves would be a "Dweomer Ruin", etc...

By most any standard, this is a strange useage of the word and in no way fits it's original meaning.

Close but not quite the ElderScrolls 'dwarves' are called Dwemer,

From: http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/chalice/corner/dwemer.shtml

"The Dwemer of Tamriel, also known as the Dwarves, were a reclusive Elven Clan who lived in Morrowind during the first era. Although they had long bushy beards, they were not short, stubby, Tolkein Dwarves. They were a strain of Mer (Elves) and must be approached on their own terms to be understood. [. . .]

Dwemer is the real (Elven) name for the Dwarves. It is pronounced: DWAY-mare. Some translations are "Short Folk", "Smart Folk" and, what is probably the best translation, "Deep Folk". Probably "Deep" as in "intelligent and multi-levelled" as opposed to a reference to some kind of physical depth.

The name "Dwarves" is used mostly by non-Elven races and has misguiding connotations. There have been rumors that the name "Dwarves" was given by the Giants that lived in Morrowind when the Dwemer first lived there. Thus (possibly) the confusion. A variation on the rumor suggests that the ancestors of Men and Mer, described as the "titantic" Ehlnofey (also known as the Earthbones), named the Dwemer. In this model, the name is actually a play on words, implying both shortness (relative to the "titanic" Ehlnofey), and intelligence. Both of these possibilities introduce what I view as possible factual inconsistencies that are beyond the scope of this guide, but they are still possible.

The most referenced possibility is that "Dwarf" is simply mistranslation of Dwemer, and that it's proper use is in the "Deep Folk" sense, but that Dwe was mistranslated by humans into "Short". Thus "Short Folk", or Dwarves. [. . .]

Since the Dwarves died so long ago, it is not know exactly what they were like. What we do know about the Dwemer in general is that they were reclusive, powerful, and tended to use "technology" over magic (the Dwarves at Stros M'Kai were reliant on steam power). They lived in great half-subterranean buildings and created mechanical creatures called Animunculi as well as other devices. We know that they were feared- by the Dunmer, by the Nords, by the Redguards, perhaps even by the Gods. Some might say that, in this respect, the Dwemer were "blasphemous". They challenged the power of the Et'Ada (Aedra and Daedra), questioned their authority, and travelled into the "Outer Realms". These factors may have led to their demise, as discussed below. [. . .]"



it is quite an interesting world, if only it were to be converted to a pen and paper rpg :) though someone could probally gather enough flavor text for themselves with quite a bit of work
 
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Suldulin said:

it is quite an interesting world, if only it was to be converted to a pen and paper rpg :) though someone could probally gather enough flavor text for themselves with quite a bit of work

I agree. I suggested it in the d20 publishers forum some time back too. It would be a great license for a company to get rights to.
 

From an old USENET post of mine:

It's Old English, although this particular version is an
unusual spelling. More commonly it occurs as dwemer,
dwimer, or dwymer (and in several derivatives). The basic
meaning is "sorcery", "sorcerer," or "juggler". If it
had survived into modern English it might be *dwimmer
(no relation to DWIM). Unfortunately, it has no clear
cognates in German (one would expect something like
*Zwemmer), and the history of it is obscure. I might
guess that it's an agentive form of a verb *dwa[l]m (to
intoxicate/weaken, to be intoxicated) that shows up
in several Germanic languages, but the regular English
version of the root (dwale) seems to drop the 'm' rather
than the 'l'. It could be an example of a dialect
doublet though, since Lowland Scots has dwam ("drunk").
 


Darke said:
Morrowind d20?

I would buy it.

That's one unique world for sure.

das Darke

Well, it would be "The Elder Scrolls D20" or "Tamriel D20."

Morrowind is just one provence of the Empire.

And there's a HUGE body of fan-made fiction for this world too. I would also buy this.
 

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