What is the essence of D&D

[Maxperson]

OK. What spells do I have memorized; 'cause if I'm going first you can bet the farm I ain't leading off with darts.

Your one first level spell is already gone in this scenario that @Garthanos has set up where the 1st level wizard is somehow better in combat than a 1st level fighter.

That, and why would a wizard not start out with staff as the first proficiency? d6 damage, has a bit of reach, has some non-combat uses, and you're all set if you ever happen to find a magical staff later. (and in some versions, wielding a staff - being a large-ish 2-handed weapon - in melee gave a point of AC as well)

What wizard wants to walk into melee with probably 2, lucky to have 4 hit points?

 

[Garthanos]

So they did nothing fast. So what.

3d3 is not nothing at level 1 there is less chances rolled 3 times of completely missing than the fighter has ... and guess what its vs kobolds and all the various other things at level 1 and many of them humanoids using weapons

 

[Maxperson]

3d3 is not nothing at level 1 there is less chances rolled 3 times of completely missing than the fighter has ... and guess what its vs kobolds and all the various other things at level 1 and many of them humanoids using weapons

3d3 isn't going to happen. You'll be lucky to do 1d3 in any given round.

 

[Garthanos]

@Garthanos has set up where the 1st level wizard is somehow better in combat than a 1st level fighter.

Nope that sleep spell makes him the parties big gun... firing off 3 darts makes him less than totally useless afterwards. You make wierd assumptions

As well as doing bad math.

 

[Maxperson]

Nope that sleep spell makes him the parties big gun... firing off 3 darts makes him less than totally useless afterwards.

Unlike you apparently, I actually played wizards in 1e. They were still totally useless after using their one spell, even with darts. The number of times that my wizards made a difference with a d3 hit was miniscule.

 

[Garthanos]

3d3 isn't going to happen. You'll be lucky to do 1d3 in any given round.

The fighter with raging 5 percentiles more your math sucks.

.3x2 + .3x2 + .3x2== 2 mage
.4 x 5.5 == 2.25 fighter

I gave him 10 percentiles in the above

Your fighter is not super impressively better....
And the dart thrower is at range...

 

[Garthanos]

Multi-attacking is good.

 

[Garthanos]

AND yes I totally said the wizard is going to WALK into MELEE

Minperson you are not only bad at math...

 

[Maxperson]

The fighter with raging 5 percentiles more your math sucks.

.3x2 + .3x2 + .3x2== 2 mage
.4 x 5.5 == 2.25 fighter

Your math sucks.

1 hit from a wizard: average damage with a dart 2
1 hit from a fighter: average damage with a bastard sword 6(5+1 for str)

It wasn't about damage over time. It was about putting down what you hit.

At least the fighter will have a good chance of killing what he hits. The wizard just ends up dead when the creature he hits swings back.

 

[Garthanos]

AND I totally said he was FIGHTING vs the party Fighter....