What is this I am hearing about PHB2/DMG2/MM2 being required?

If you get D&DInsider, it will contain a Rules Database that will include all of the rules from all of the "official" supplements, whether you buy the book or not. It's basically the only way they can ensure that people will be able to use their books in the online VTT without a hassle.
 

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I suspect how the PHB X and Complete Splats will work is this. Each new PHB will primarily introduce new power sources, and complete splats will expand on a particular power source. At least, that's how I'd hope it works. That way, you'll need to pick up PHB 2 if you want to use a class from the nature/primal source, and possible the nature splat for additional options, but not everyone in the party needs to grab just because your character wants something from it. In theory, this could make the system more modular without as many overlapping problems.
 

Glyfair said:
I didn't find it so, until the end of the 3.5 cycle. Psionics was always sort of an "optional core" and would often appear in small doses in various books. Campaign settings core book were "core" for their setting. Other than that, you didn't see references between books (except swift and immediate actions which had their rules reprinted in every book).

The first book (I think) that really assumed you had other books that weren't the PHB, DMG, or MM was PHB2, with its inclusion of Complete classes like the Warlock, Favored Soul, and Scout...as well as the Marshal, from Miniatures Handbook (which I think was 3.0...).

Before that, you had the occasional psionics reference, and in the occasional adventure you'd have one creature/NPC that could be adjusted if you didn't have the books (psion became wizard, say). Hrm, though Races of Stone had stuff for the Scout before Complete Adventurer came out...

I'm perfectly fine with them assuming you have other books, because I do, and many other people do. For those who aren't completists/collectors, the DDI will likely be very helpful in this regard, since you could likely reference stuff on an as needed basis, so that adventure you got that includes monsters and classes from the 3s isn't useless.

In 4E I have a feeling that the PHB/MM/DMG series will be the books referenced in other books, and everything else will mostly be contained within that book, with the D&D Insider used for expanding the roles of popular things.

This seems like a reasonable supposition, especially with DDI. They can use that so if it becomes apparent that class X is somehow incredibly well-received (say, like warlock was), they can support it until they can shove it into a PHBn.

Brad
 

Lady Dragon said:
1. Never reference anything in any new book except what is in the 3 main books so that people that may have missed some of the interceding books won't get lost.

2. Only reference the other "non-core" books in special sections of future books, such as at the end of chapters and keep it small and confined so as not to use up the space in the book for those uninterested in the topic.

3. Go ahead and references material from other "non-core" books but be sure to reprint all pertinent information on the topic so the reader will understand in case he/she doesn't have the original book it appeared in.

4. Reference any material from any book freely, regaurdless of weather it appeared in the original 3 books for that addition. People that didn't purchase the interceding books will just have to skip over these sections or go find a copy to get filled in.

5. Create books tree. Each tree builds upon a root book which is necessary for the following ones. This option is probably hard for a publisher, but it could be interesting.

6. Keep the books separate, and introduce cross-books material only online.
 

DandD said:
I'm rather wondering... Could you play D&D 4.0 without the PHB/MM/DMG 1s? Will there be rules for combat, skills, magical items leveling up progression and monster types and other stuff be mentioned again in the PHB 2/DMG 2/MM 2? Or will they really only be supplemental, like, just big glorified 'Complete Whatever'-books?
The latter. They won't waste space repeating the rules in every book. I think it's really just that they noticed a PHB2 sells better than a Complete Whatever.

And 'Core' really means something different to WotC than it does to almost everyone else. To them 'Core' really just means 'official & not campaign-setting-specific'.
 

Strictly speaking, no, they are not required to play the game. However, once a new core book is published, its material may be referenced by supplements, modules, etc. So, in a sense, it is required if you want to ensure that you can use all future WotC material. Not buying them might be like remaining on an old operating system- it will run fine, but you may have compatibility problems with new stuff.
 

Ok, to clarify the "required" part, the fear is that players of RPGA Living campaigns will have no choice but to chuck out $100+ every year for the newest Core books.
 

i for one like the concept of new core books yearly. the only books past the core 3 in 3.5 i really felt had enough meat to them to be granted a hard cover was the BOED and psionics handbook. i really wish they just make all splat books in 4ED soft cover cheap and focused. keep splat books to the point and cheap and put lots of content in PH2,DMG2,MM2 and so on.
 


FitzTheRuke said:
Oh yeah, it's something people don't quite realize about it all.

One of the reasons they left out Gnomes, Barbarians, Bards, Half-Orcs, Sorcerers, etc, is because they need some classic core stuff to legitimize the 2nd books. What better way to make people see the new books as Core than having the "missing" classics?

Fitz

Sorcerer classic? Eh?

Bard with it's crazy incarnation as classic?

Looks like it's time to disagree.
 

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