What monster books have you found useful or are buying?

All of these are well worth it:

Everything WOTC, especially Manual of the Planes and Monsters of Faerun.

Legions of Hell, Armies of the Abyss. I imagine Jade Dragons and Hungry Ghosts is too. Green Ronin can do no wrong.

Minions (Bastion Press) and Oathbound.
 

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The best/most useful monster books other than the MM for 3E so far IMO have been:

1. Legions of Hell
2. Liber Bestarius
3. Armies of the Abyss
4. Monsternomicon
5. Creature Collection 2

Monsters of Faerun and Manual of the Planes are pretty good for monsters too, but just not as original as the products I listed above. And yes, Tome of Horrors will likely be the end-all of monster books. :D
 

IMO the best is Legions of Hell. The creatures (devils) there give lots of ideas for adventuring and the artwork is very good. Armies of the Abyss was quite poorer, far from the quality of the first. I also like CC2, but it's very SL oriented.
 

Monsternomicon would be on the top of my list and not just because I'm one of the "wordsmiths"...

It is a beautiful book with creatures that include statistics, comparitive art that shows you exactly how big or small a creature is compared to the average human, journal entry descriptions of each monster, combat section, legend and lore section, adventure hooks for each creature, and quotations from characters about each monster.

Also included are "quickplates" that can be used to quickly modify a creature and its CR... also rules for a new skill called Creature Lore.

There are other things, but I don't have a copy in front of me at the moment...

Hope this was helpful,
Joseph Miller
PP Freelancer and "Wordsmith"
 

Of course the Monster Manual gets the most use, but I have found the two creature collections to be well worth owning. Some of the beasts in there especially are very stealable if you want to have an exotic encounter or two.

Armies of the Abyss is a good read, but I have yet to use it. I have only used one creature out of Monsters of Faerun, but its not a bad book either.
 

Albert_Fish said:
Ok, i am interested in what monster books for 3E ( other than the almost required MM) have you bought? From Deadlands, to Scarredlands and all the books in between. Which ones have you found useful, which have been failures?

Let me know what you think soi can decide what i like and maybe help otherrs out here.
Heck evena more or less conprehensive lsit of monster books would be nice even if it doesnt contain reviews.
Thanks for your help,
Chuck

1)Monsternomicon...especially if you like steampunk

2)Why in the name of all that is sacred would you choose the name Albert Fish for a handle?

He ate a little girl for dinner, taunted her mother with letters about it for years, and made a habit sticking dozens of needles in his genitalia.

That's just WRONG
 
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Legions of Hell is still the book to beat. Great design, great art, great product.

I also like the sequel Armies of the Abyss. That book seems to get a bad rap, because some people see the write ups of the demon princes as filler because there are no stats. While the monsters were certainly cool, the demon princes chapter is actually my favorite part of the book.

Monsters of Faerun is good, though half those monsters are not at all unique to FR.

Creature Collection was a waste of money.

Liber Beastarius looks good, but I haven't been able to afford a copy yet. Not sure abou the name "badass creatures" though. I know many gamers are 14, but I didn't think the designers were.
 

baseballfury said:
Legions of Hell is still the book to beat. Great design, great art, great product.

I also like the sequel Armies of the Abyss. That book seems to get a bad rap, because some people see the write ups of the demon princes as filler because there are no stats. While the monsters were certainly cool, the demon princes chapter is actually my favorite part of the book.

Monsters of Faerun is good, though half those monsters are not at all unique to FR.

Creature Collection was a waste of money.

Liber Beastarius looks good, but I haven't been able to afford a copy yet. Not sure abou the name "badass creatures" though. I know many gamers are 14, but I didn't think the designers were.

The term is "instant bad-ass." It means "a tougher-than-normal, pre-advanced, unique bad-guy with his own magic items, spells already memorized, and tactics on how to use him in combat." It's for those creatures that are intelligent and who you'd expect to see with a few class-levels when you find them 'in the wild' so to speak.

Instant, as in "no work necessary, just drop him in your game and let the carnage begin."

Bad-ass as in "bad-ass."

There's an ad running in a few men's magazines. I saw it in Wired and Maxim. It's for the new Hum-Vee. The shot is from the ground, looking up at the grill of the car. The caption is;

"It only looks like this because it's bad-ass."

There'd be no point, really, in using the term 'bad-ass monster,' since the Liber has *only* bad-ass monsters. Even the cute little Mowz whom everyone loves. Except cats. Cats run from Mowzes. Or they would, if they knew what was good for them. Plus, I hear Tobin & Spate is running a special. Trained Mowzes with the new 'anti-theft system' that protects them from Familiar Eaters. Nasty buggers. Free trained Mowz if you upgrade your warrantee on your Sorcerer's Apprentice. It's the best warrantee in the business, I hear.

The Liber represents a lot of work over a long period of time. Sometimes I feel like there aren't enough monsters in there. Then I start reading it again and remember why we made it the way it is. Each monster has a lot of data packed in there. Some of it you may never use. Knowing how a Hurg reproduces might not sound like your cup of tea. But when your players come across a momma Hurg and they're watching her and thinking "What the hell is that thing?" And it suddenly stops. Shudders violently, and splits open in a rending burst of blood, organs and sinew, only to reveal a lot of baby Hurg happily stamping around in the dead body of their mom, and your players shout—as one—"eewww!" You'll clasp the book dearly to your chest and say "God bless the Liber Bestarius."

Then your players will see you holding the book and shout "God no! Run! Grab your character sheets! IT'S THAT DAMNED BOOK!" And some poor newb will say "gosh, guys, why? What's so bad about it?" And, as they drive to a safer land, where characters never run into unstoppable razor fiends or the implacable Dream Golem (for only one was ever created,) they'll say "trust me." For you see, the tales they would tell would surely turn your brain to goo and make it dribble out your ears. Let me tell you, from experience, ear-dribbled brain-goo is the devil to clean out of carseats.

Unless you scotchguarded first.
 

Outside of the MM I have found the Creature Collections by S&SS to be the most useful. The CC1, I think, is unfairly bashed for having CRs that are either too high or too low in most cases. This really is it biggest problem (that and they gave CON HP bonuses to constructs) and has been fixed long ago with errata availible on the S&SS website.

The Slitheren (read: ratmen/skaven) alone almost make the book a must own. Add in the Hags (6), Wrack Dragons (3), Dwarf Hound, Bonelord, The Cranival Krewe (5), Fatling, Copper Golem, High & Low Gorgon, Hollow Knights, Moon Cat, Skin Devil, Stick Giant & Undead Ooze (just to name a few of the really cool and setting independant creatures you can find here) and Creature Collection is one of the best monster books I own (and I have a lot of 'em).

Just wanted to try and give CC1 a fair representation. Remember it was published before the MM and they had to do some guesswork as to how monsters were to be created. Except for the CR thing I have found it very well done.
 

Holy Bovine said:
Just wanted to try and give CC1 a fair representation. Remember it was published before the MM and they had to do some guesswork as to how monsters were to be created. Except for the CR thing I have found it very well done.

In fact a fully revised version is expected to show up in 2003.
 

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