D&D 5E (2024) What should the 15th Class be?

[Paul Farquhar]

So you don't actually have anything beyond "I'm pretty sure"?

Obsessing of statistics is other people’s enthusiasm. If you don’t want to listen to me, then feel free to live in constant disappointment. The other day you we still blaming the failure of 4e on a “minority of loud voices” so accepting reality isn’t really your forte.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Obsessing of statistics is other people’s enthusiasm. If you don’t want to listen to me, then feel free to live in constant disappointment.

I'm not the one who made a statistical claim; if you don't actually know that a majority is doing something, saying "Lots of people, the majority in fact, buy supplements", then why use that word? "The majority in fact" would indicate that there is a fact you are stating.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I'm not the one who made a statistical claim; if you don't actually know that a majority is doing something, saying "Lots of people, the majority in fact, buy supplements", then why use that word? "The majority in fact" would indicate that there is a fact you are stating.

I know it’s a fact because I have seen the statistics. I don’t go round remembering statistics because they bore me.

But I’m sure if my memory was defective then there would be someone here who would pop up with evidence to prove it.

 

[Remathilis]

i really wish they would split the shapeshifting from the spellcasting with the druid, if not IMO ideally into it's own class then at least as an either-or choice at first level, you can have the shapeshifting OR the spellcasting to go with the rest of your druid abilities but not both (barring the inevitable subclass that tries to offer a worse version of both).

i think it's amazing (in a bad way) that THE primal caster kinda manages to feel so disconnected from the the various biomes that exist, land druid shouldn't be a single subclass(or rather it should be the jack of all trades druid that can adapt for every environment), each environment should be it's own subclass for them like how cleric has domains, circle of the woods, circle of the mountains, circle of the desert, circle of the tundra...

That's can easily run into the Favored Environment issue with the ranger: your abilities are very dependent on what kind of campaign your DM is running and where it takes place. Your DM running Rime of the FrostMaiden? Well, Arctic druid is your only option. Tomb of Annihilation? Congrats jungle druid! Going from one to the other? Well suddenly your abilities to survive in the cold aren't all that useful in the jungle.
One of best parts of the 2024 Land Druid is it can change it's focus and attune to different biomes, which fits the druid so that a who grew up in Icewind Dale but finds herself in Chult can attune with the jungle and draw on it's power if she wants.

 

[MechaTarrasque]

are these really worth being a WHOLE CLASS, though, or just a subclass or two? genuine question, i'm not sure.

Potentially, but I figure something like this would work best with more customization than I think you could fit in a subclass (or at least more than any subclasses so far)

 

[CreamCloud0]

That's can easily run into the Favored Environment issue with the ranger: your abilities are very dependent on what kind of campaign your DM is running and where it takes place. Your DM running Rime of the FrostMaiden? Well, Arctic druid is your only option. Tomb of Annihilation? Congrats jungle druid! Going from one to the other? Well suddenly your abilities to survive in the cold aren't all that useful in the jungle.
One of best parts of the 2024 Land Druid is it can change it's focus and attune to different biomes, which fits the druid so that a who grew up in Icewind Dale but finds herself in Chult can attune with the jungle and draw on it's power if she wants.

not if designed properly i think, i don't mean abilities that only work in and are only applicable to a specific environment, i mean ones that are generically useful but thematic to the biome they come from, having a swim speed, cold resistance and the ability to freeze things and turn into a giant walrus are things that make sense for an arctic druid to be able to do that doesn't mean you can't bring a jungle druid to RotFM with their climb speed, poison resist, thorny vine summoning and giant ape form.

was anyone complaining about 24's circle of the sea subclass cause all i'm talking about is expanding that sort of subclass to other biomes

 

[Jim Cummins]

are these really worth being a WHOLE CLASS, though, or just a subclass or two? genuine question, i'm not sure.

Well, I think they could be fun hahhah

But I doubt Wotc would put any time into them, but a person can dream hahahaha

 

[Stalker0]

After reading through all of this thread, here is where I am at.

I don't know exactly what new class should be introduced, but I do agree with the arguments that is should be a spell-less class. I don't if it has some magicaly X or auras or something....but not spells. We have so many spellcasters already, lets give one for the people that don't want spells.

Whatever form that looks like.

 

[Jefe Bergenstein]

Attack granting isn't a common thing though.

The Warlords unpopular for a reaaon.

The warlord is unpopular because of a bunch of nonsense arguments about realism in a game that absolutely sucks at simulating anything. They also seemed to come from old grumps, so I don;t know how much WOTC should bother catering to the 60+ OSR crowd. Most of them seem to hate WOTC anyways.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

A new class would like earwax flavoured ice cream. Something invented purely for novelty value that adds nothing to the enjoyment of the game.