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What spells should have had the ritual tag, but don't?

gyor

Adventurer
What spells should have had the ritual tag, but don't? Magifiscent Mansion Demiplane Hollow Planar Ally Planar Binding Geas Astral Projection Find Steed Greater Find Steed Temple of the Gods Mighty Keep
 

Fenris-77

Explorer
Conceptually? Most of the divination and rest related stuff, plus most of the finding stuff and long range talking type stuff. That said, high level casters are already pretty high power, do they really need to be even more powerful? I'm not sure they do.

*edit* of course the ritual caster feat does help balance things out when you make more stuff rituals. Maybe.
 

Shiroiken

Explorer
The one that jumps out at me is Knock. Given it's downside (which is a pretty big downside), making it also cost a spell slot is unnecessary. I'd be okay with removing the downside when cast with a spell slot, because that's a daily resource (as opposed to a skill check that requires proficiency).

Magic Circle seems like it should also be a ritual. The purpose is to set up a summoning spell, so taking up an additional slot seems unnecessary.

Magnificent Mansion is also pretty hefty for a 7th level spell slot, considering there are lower level options that are rituals that provide almost as good an option.

Given the casting time and use for travel (albeit planar travel), Astral Projection seems like it might also be better as a ritual. That way the caster still has access to their precious 9th level slot while providing the key to reach an adventure.

Anything that summons should definitely NOT be a ritual. This includes the find steed spells and planar ally, because otherwise the party could have an infinite supply of disposable allies. I don't like that find familiar is a ritual for this very reason.
 

Dausuul

Legend
My picks:

  • Arcane lock
  • Continual flame
  • Knock
  • Catnap
  • Tongues
  • Leomund's secret chest
  • Mordenkainen's magnificent mansion
  • Sequester
  • Demiplane (only to access a previously created plane)
  • Imprisonment
 

doctorbadwolf

Explorer
Find Steed

Find Greater Steed

Mage Armor

Rope Trick

Magnificent Mansion

All the high level “create a structure” spells

Probably some divination spells
 

Fenris-77

Explorer
What would happen if we made 60% of the spell list ritual. Which I think we could. Access to ritual spell casting is a feat away for any character. What does that do to the balance of the game?​Part of me really wants to try this out.
 

oreofox

Explorer
Many abjuration spells, conjuration, divination, and possibly transmutation spells. Mostly those that have no direct combat effect, have more of a use outside combat. Like Locate Creature, Find Greater Steed, and so on.
 

77IM

Explorer
Most of them.

I was working on a thing where I was giving each spell a section at the bottom called "As a Ritual." It would come after the "At Higher Levels." for spells that have that (which should also be most of them).

The reason I made a section for each spell is that the ritual requirements would be slightly different for each spell. Spells that are already rituals would say:

As a Ritual. When you cast this spell as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot. The casting time increases by 10 minutes, and you cast the spell at its lowest level.​

A common entry for higher-level and higher-scaling spells (practically every spell of 6th level or higher) was like:

As a Ritual. When you cast this spell as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot. The casting time increases by 1 hour per spell level.​

For some spells (such as fireball), I would instead add a material component:

As a Ritual. When you cast this spell as a ritual, you don't expend a spell slot. The casting time increases by 10 minutes, and the spell consumes a special material component: a ruby worth 100 gp per spell level.​
 

Dausuul

Legend
I was working on a thing where I was giving each spell a section at the bottom called "As a Ritual."
I like this! It opens up a lot more design space for rituals. There are a bunch of spells that feel like they shouldn't cost combat/adventuring resources, but also shouldn't be usable every 10 minutes. This would make it possible to add other limiting factors. I particularly like the option of ritual-only material components.
 

SkidAce

Adventurer
I let some spells be cast as a ritual on a case by case basis (scrying probably, fireball no), and have several unique spells that can only be cast as a ritual.

But if you don't want your spells to take up a slot.....create a scroll.

Which, by the way, with the example above of scrying, I would have the caster add the equivalent cost to make a scroll to the process.
In addition to any already existing material costs.
 

Stalker0

Adventurer
I think people underestimate the power of divinations as rituals, or in general honestly. If you run a campaign with any downtime, divinations are crazy strong.

Case in point, one of my players just hit 9th level (with access to contact other plane) and has a month of downtime in the game. That gives him access to 150 questions...at base. And before people start mentioning the saving throw, he has a paladin buddy, so only fails on a 1 (and we were factoring that in to the number of questions he could ask, which drops it to about 142 on average).

And then....we realized it was a ritual. So... basically it just comes down to "he can just ask me any number of questions on any subject he wants." The only limit is his ability to come up with new questions. And that is just a month of downtime, imagine what a 9th level wizard would learn after a year? Or more appropriately, what would be left to learn? There isn't a reason a wizard that has a 20 int shouldn't be able to learn everything they want to know about the plot, which of course forces the DM to neuter parts of the spell ("you don't learn anything about THAT subject". Oh, well THAT subject is blocked by a diety or something, etc etc".)


Rituals are very powerful when time is on your side, be careful about doling them out carelessly just because in a combat adventure the non-combat spell's cost is actually meaningful.
 
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Eltab

Villager
An earlier thread discussed casting False Life over and over again until the player rolled the max value, then starting his adventuring day.
There ought to be an option to "ritual-cast" a cantrip and get the maximum result. Then you take a known 10 minutes, instead of 'however long it takes'; using hot dice means '1 round'; using my old (cursed?) dice set means 'all day'.
 

Yaarel

Explorer
Unfortunately, the Ritual Caster feat sucks. Even many people who like the idea, never end up taking it because of the other ‘must have’ feats that compete for the same space.

I am thinking of making Ritual Caster a BACKGROUND, that any character can take. Minimally, they only access level 1 rituals. But maximally, they might access higher level spells as they progress in level.

As such, any spell that is suitable as a ritual, would also need to be balanced for a noncaster to do.

A caster benefits from this background by accessing the rituals of other caster classes.
 

doctorbadwolf

Explorer
A little specialised, given that the main class capable of casting them doesn't have ritual casting, and has better things to spend its feats on.
No one has better things to spend feats on, though. Linguist is great! Keen Mind is the bees knees! Feats don’t matter.
But more than that, Paladins should have a ritual casting, and we are here discussing “should”, not “is”.

At that point you may as well just make it a class feature.
For who? Every class that can get it? Easier to just keep it a spell. Everyone but wizard has to have it Known or Prepared to use it, and Wizards aren’t spending a slot on an AC fix unless they get hit by an anti magic effect.

Someone who gets it via Magic Initiate can still only do it once per day, but it boosts Ritual Caster a bit.


edit: also, why would a given spell being “specialized” be an issue? So what?
 

Fenris-77

Explorer
You could change the feat to represent the base magic level level of the player. Non casters can cast up to level X, Half casters to level Y, and full casters to level Z.
 

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