MrFilthyIke
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Akrasia said:
So,...1e is a Call of Cthulhu con event with swords and spells??
What the heck is "First Edition Feel"?
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So,...1e is a Call of Cthulhu con event with swords and spells??
KnowTheToe
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MrFilthyIke said:
I asumed "1e feel" is kick in the door, kill things, and take loot.
Don't get killed doing the above.
Isn't that 1e?
Yep, exactly, killing with a certain level of simplicity.
der_kluge
Adventurer
It means:
- horrible balance problems (... quivering palm of death)
- lack of player options (... but what if I want to play a bard at 1st level!?)
- complete and total lack of ecology (... giant beetles and ogres living in harmony?)
- clerics that totally suck (... 7 rounds to heal someone? Sorry, you're going to die.)
- lack of consistent rules (... I trip him! GM - uh... there aren't rules for that.)
- weird restrictions (... what do you mean my gnome can't be a paladin?)
- class/level limits (... Elves are great spellcasters, but why can't mine be 13th lvl?)
To be fair, some of that stuff stuck around in 2nd edition.
But as you can tell, I'm not a fan of 1st edition.
And to quote myself in another thread - if you think going back to 1st edition is going to fix the problems you have with 3rd edition, I have some swamp land to sell you.
- horrible balance problems (... quivering palm of death)
- lack of player options (... but what if I want to play a bard at 1st level!?)
- complete and total lack of ecology (... giant beetles and ogres living in harmony?)
- clerics that totally suck (... 7 rounds to heal someone? Sorry, you're going to die.)
- lack of consistent rules (... I trip him! GM - uh... there aren't rules for that.)
- weird restrictions (... what do you mean my gnome can't be a paladin?)
- class/level limits (... Elves are great spellcasters, but why can't mine be 13th lvl?)
To be fair, some of that stuff stuck around in 2nd edition.
But as you can tell, I'm not a fan of 1st edition.
And to quote myself in another thread - if you think going back to 1st edition is going to fix the problems you have with 3rd edition, I have some swamp land to sell you.
BiggusGeekus
That's Latin for "cool"
Akrasia said:
You should see him with undead.
There's a lot to be said for it. Personally, I agree that adventures should be written his way. But the CR and EL should still be calculated. It's not that I object to DMs killing PCs, I just want them to do it intentionally ... with an evil smile on their face as they slowly shred the sheet before the player's crying eyes.
Henry
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For me, that's always summarized a 1E philosophy. Also, combine it with never making it above 7th level, taking the characters less seriously and having few connotations to rolling up a new character, whether for a new game or because your old one died.
Beyond that? Buzz-phrase to summarize something that can't easily be summarized, kind of like "The 1920's" or "the Romantic Period in art and music."
Ravellion
serves Gnome Master
A sales gimmick that targets the emotions of potential pundits. Similar to the Mastercard advertisements really. I'm sorry guys, but that "1st edition feel", is just that - priceless. You can't buy it, it can't be recreated - because it isn't the early 80s, we aren't playing on our mom's dinner table etc. etc.
Rav, the cynic
Rav, the cynic
der_kluge
Adventurer
die_kluge said:
to put it more bluntly, in 1st edition, I could put a guy in a stockade, raise my axe above his head, and swing - and miss, because there are no rules for "prone" in 1e.
And if I hit, I would merely do damage. So, if the guy I was trying to execute was a 20th level fighter with 200 hit points, I might have to cut his head off over several tries, because each time would just deal a certain number of hit points out of his total. There are no rules for coup de grace.
And yes, 2e has these problems as well.
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