What's the big stink about Rappan Athuk Reloaded?

Orcus said:
I will say this, though. Even if you love "roleplaying" over dungeon crawling, that doesnt mean you should avoid RA. Think about it this way: a dungeon is an epic setting with great challenges. Great roleplaying needs that. We dont play "advertisements and accountants" we play "dungeons and dragons." You dont rescue Suzie from the mean paperboy at the corner store. You retrieve the staff of death from the tower of doom guarded by Dragotha. YOu need a setting like RA. Or, think of it in movie terms. How about the movie Star Wars. Luke and Co didnt rescue Leia from Godo the silly Ewok, they went to the freaking Death Star and rescued her from Darth Vader, the evil cleric dressed in all black plate. Think of RA as the Death Star. The story you decide to tell in the death star is your decision. If Necro were to do the death star dungeon, we would provide maps of all levels and a list of all monsters and their motivations, just like RA. we'd list vader (the evil high priest), we would note that there was a room that contained a captured princess. Now if you, using that product, just decide to send your PCs to the death star to kick in doors one by one, that is your choice. That is not the death star's fault. But if you send your PCs to break into the death star to rescue the princess and escape the clutches of the evil high priest, that is also your choice and can be full of great roleplaying. The product is there for you to use. And the fact that you dont want to dungeon crawl doesnt mean you cant use it. In fact, because of its epic nature, it is great for roleplaying. If you decide to use RA just as a mindless door kick in treasure hunt, that is your choice. But that isnt RA's fault. You could just as easily use it as a very focused quest location with very specific story elements. Back to the death star example, if you bought the "death star dungeon" the fact that you dont play out the great adventure that is star wars is not the dungeon's fault. that is a DM choice. Lots of lazy DMs just do door kicking and treasure looting. Now that has its fun and appeal (by the way, I am not sayiing dungeon crawling is from lazy DMs, i love dungeon crawling and so do my players, i mean it is lazy to think that the only use for a dungeon is dungeon crawling, because it isnt; so no hate email from dungeon crawling DMs please :) ). But there is no reason you couldnt, instead, use it for epic heroic and deep roleplaying.

Just a few thoughts :)

Clark

See now THAT'S what I'm talking about.

That's old school thinking right there. Back when we werent innundated with products and suppliments we DM's and players had to think for ourselves and work what few resources we had. Hell I put one group of players through the Caves of Chaos TWICE. The first time as it was, he second time with some changes and a completely different mission and in a different location and they had NO IDEA it was the same place. I was 13-14 years old when I did that and it was fun as hell.

I just read some of the posts on ENWORLD and it makes me want to run away screaming when people nitpick thier own fun to death. It makes me want to stay away from this place but there's good resources and information to be had here so I keep coming back. But it's good to finally see that there are other people like me out there who know how to work thier resources and actually to have FUN and not espouse on how their game is better becasue of XX and YY is broken and blah, blah, blah.

YOU = AWESOME.

D&D / GAME nitpickers, not so much....
 

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bowbe said:
You can also try Wizards Asylum Comics & Games in Tulsa

Their number is (918) 250-2077

I called them up and their ## worked. May want to give them a try.

I also called Game HQ in OKC

(405) 691-0509

They take orders from alliance as well, which means they should be able to get orders put in for you no problem.

Good Luck

Case

I may have to stop by Game HQ this weekend and check on it.

It's been years since I went in there, but Game HQ used to be one of those NSFLGS (not so favorite). Good wide selection, but staffed by ur-:):):):):):):)s. It was hard to even get questions answered or have someone ring something up for you if you were not a part of the inner circle of dorks that lived there.

However, if I can weasel a neat collectors item to sit on my shelf, so be it. :)
 

Alrighty

Remember when you hit up your FLGS to give them this

Rappan Athuk Reloaded
Stock #: 08366

ISBN: 1-58846-795-3

The stock number is important because thats how they will look it up via alliance in my experience.

Technically I don't think it "ships" till Thursday next week but I could be wrong. You should have plenty of time to get your order in.

The Name, stock number and ISBN should be the same for everyone else interested in putting their order in with their FLGS or NSFLGS this week sort of "while supplies last"!

Later

Case
 

But I didnt say just famous, I said "famous and feared." That is why Undermountain is out. Sure it might be famous for its size and scope, like WLD, but it doesnt inspire the sheer terror that RA does. I've never heard a player say "no freaking way, we arent going in THERE!" or "Oh s----, not again, I dont want to go back in there!" They say that about RA, which is why it is the most famous and feared.

That's just my take. Your mileage may vary. It is not overblown hype, I fully believe it and stand by it. If you get it, I hope you love it. But I dont want a great product to cause division.

Except, of course, that so few people I currently encounter have ever heard of RA- not just gamers, but game store employees to whom I address inquiries about the product. I even get blank stares when I point to ads for it. When I ask people about "feared and famous," I get responses like ToEE, Undermountain, ToH, even Expedition to the Barrier Peaks. I even get votes for various Judges' Guild Products, old & new, before anyone brings up RA.

RA simply hasn't had time to become famous, and without familiarity, it cannot be feared. To call it such IS overblown hype...AT THIS TIME.

Perhaps it will live up to such hype- perhaps it will go down in the annals of the history of our hobby as the stellar product you claim it to be.

But its not there yet.
 

ShinHakkaider said:
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I just read some of the posts on ENWORLD and it makes me want to run away screaming when people nitpick thier own fun to death. It makes me want to stay away from this place but there's good resources and information to be had here so I keep coming back. But it's good to finally see that there are other people like me out there who know how to work thier resources and actually to have FUN and not espouse on how their game is better becasue of XX and YY is broken and blah, blah, blah.

YOU = AWESOME.

D&D / GAME nitpickers, not so much....

I bet you want me off your lawn, too, huh? :p

While I agree, I must tease you a little bit. I tease because I love :cool:
 

danzig138 said:
I thought it was some kind of pacific islandish campaign setting with nubile young topless women.
Actually, can we have this instead? I've kinda gone off the idea of a mega-dungeon after reading this idea. Someone else can have my preordered copies...


:lol:
 

ShinHakkaider said:
I just read some of the posts on ENWORLD and it makes me want to run away screaming when people nitpick thier own fun to death.

Dude, what you're missing is that this site is mostly about discussion. If a discussion is to get to any depth, it's gonna start gettign into fine details. That's the nature of the beast, and the practice helps hone the minds of those that also present the resources and information you like. Simply put, analysis makes the folks here better with the games.

Without the detail, we'd have, "This is cool!" and, "That sucks!", over and over again. While you may not like nitpicking, the alternative is boring to read.
 

Well I just bought a copy off of eBay for $49 + shipping (it was the only auction listed for RAR!). I hope it was worth it as I based my decision on Nightfall & Treebore's enthusiasm for the product (I can't count Orcus since he wrote the thing ;) ). That and I have always had good luck with NGs' products - they are a top notch publisher.
 

Famous?
All I've heard about it (other than what's in this thread) is that it has a 'poo monster'.

Anyway, rabid fanboyism (like Nightfall) will put more people off than it will attract.

Geoff.
 


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