When Bob wants to play a female PC

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Brennin Magalus said:
I have not allowed "cross-gendered" role-playing in the past. Whether I enforce that rule for my next game remains to be seen.

In any event, there is nothing wrong with your imposing that limitation on your players. If they really object to it they can always vote with their feet.

Well said! :)

I don't put many limitations on my players, most requests I find a way to make work (unless they ask for something outrageous, believe me it happens).

All I ask of them (and I've never had to up until now) is that you play your gender. Keeps thing simple and avoids problems.

So far no complaints...
 

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kenobi65 said:
To the original poster: I give you a lot of credit for at least recognizing that you've got a hangup about this. I'm no therapist, but I wonder if the fact that you're playing with an all-male-player group is magnifying your issues with this.

Well, I know I used the word 'hang-up', but I really don't see it as that. Or, at least, I didn't see it as that until the flood of anti-Destan posts came tumbling into my inbox. Now I'm fairly certain that I belong to a very, very small minority on this issue. While that doesn't necessarily mean I'm wrong, it certainly doesn't help my cause.

So...let's call a spade a spade. I have a hang-up about this issue.

Your next question is a good one, and I think you may be on to something there. I have female friends. I have gamer friends. I do not have female gamer friends. Mind you - that's a result of circumstances, not personal choice. Maybe it's just because I'm ugly. Does that influence the way I feel regarding this issue? Quite possibly.

I'd have to say you've given me some food for thought, kenobi.

I don't mean this as a general indictment of EN World, but it seems a lot of us are very quick to psychoanalyze things.

Destan doesn't like male gamers to play female PCs? By Crom - he must be mentally unstable!

Hong allows his players to take the Monkey Grip feat? He's abosolutely off his rocker!

Crothian gave my favotire PDF only 2 stars? The guy has obviously lost touch with reality!

Could it, possibly, perhaps, mayhaps, be that we all just have different likes and dislikes? If someone doesn't agree or particularly enjoy a certain aspect of gaming, does it always need to be rooted to some childhood trauma? Our society seems to want to throw any odd views into the lap of a therapist, or trace their foundation to the day that a duck ate someone's pet dog.

Bah, I'm rambling now. I'd type more, but I'm having a hard time seeing the keys through my tears.

You bunch of meanies. (Yes, Darkness, I'm looking at you!)

:P
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MojoGM said:
No contradiction. They have the free will to ask for it. I have the free will to say "no". Since I'm the GM, I win. :)

Hence the root of your problem. You're not supposed to 'win'. It's about people having a good time. If it upsets you that someone wants to try something different roleplaying wise, maybe you need to think about why that bothers you so much.
 

Next thing ya know, you'll have these kinda rules:

Fat players cannot play skinny PCs, and vice-versa.
Young players cannot play old PCs, and vice-versa.
Wanna play any kind of caster? Well better prove to me you know magic first.
Wanna be a rogue? OK go hide in the yard, and if I find you, sorry, you weren't meant to be a rogue.

LMAO
 


I don't think your strange. Every game master runs his or her games differently. Some contain strong religous or moral themes, while others would rather stay away from these political land mines and just have fun. Some touch on very adult themes, while others would rather stay away from these sensitive topics. Every game master, and every player for that matter, has a comfort zone within which they can enjoy the hobby. Deviating from this comfort zone is good sometimes... It encourages growth. But most gamers are only willing to go so far beyond the boundaries of their comfort zone before they become offended.

I see this cross-gendered character issue as being outside of your comfort zone. Not because you are a homophobe or anything. Just because its something you are personally uncomfortable with. Perhaps, as the GM, you feel that a cross-gendered character would affect the level of emersion within your game (nobody can hear bob's deep voice and visualize it as the elf maiden's). That would be a valid argument for some folks. I've known at least one GM who almost never used female NPCs (he did use some, but the vast majority were male) for just that reason. He didn't feel his players would be able to interact with female characters he was portraying in a way consistent with the character's personality.

All of that said, I let male and female players play characters of the opposite gender all the time. My only requirement is that they be well-rounded characters with appropriate concepts to the storyline (i.e. no silly stereotypes in a non-silly game).
 

Insight said:
Hence the root of your problem. You're not supposed to 'win'. It's about people having a good time. If it upsets you that someone wants to try something different roleplaying wise, maybe you need to think about why that bothers you so much.

Naw, I really don't. I don't allow it. Plain and simple.

As I've said, I've never HAD to disallow it, as it has never come up. But if it did I would discourage it.

Now, if you didn't get that I was kidding when I said "I win", not much I can do about it.
 

BelenUmeria said:
It happens in my games, although I am never that comfortable with it.

IME, males or females who play a character of the opposite gender usually cause minor problems. People tend to refer to the character with the pronoun that connects with the player rather than the character. It requires a bit more thought with NPC social interaction etc.

None of these problems are huge, but they do tend to cause a disconnect with the game. I find it much harder to get into the game when someone plays a character opposite their gender.

This is pretty much the problem I have with it. Not enough of a problem that I'd stop a player who really wanted to from playing a cross-gender character as a GM and not enough of a problem that I'd walk away from a game with such characters as a player, but enough of a problem that I'd prefer not to have it in the games that I'm in if given a choice.

And, frankly, I find the idea that anything but indifference to cross-gender character is a sign of mental illness or deep seated psychological problems a bit offensive. It's as offensive as being told that one is mentally ill because they don't like spinach or want a car that's blue rather than a car that's white. Not every aesthetic preference is caused by a childhood trauma or deep seated emotional problem. Really. Stop trying to psychoanlayze people over the Internet, especially if you've never even met them.

For the record, I have had no problem GMing romantic relationships between NPCs and male players. I have had no problem role-playing romantic relationships between my characters and NPCs run by a male GM. I've played in games with a gay player and games with a lesbian player. I've played in games with cross-gender characters and I've GMed them and, mainly, they often just wind up being a hassle at best and an disruption at worst. They didn't generate feelings of discomfort, anger, or confusion. They simply detracted from the quality of the game more often than not.

Yes, I can understand why people want to do it. Yes, I can understand why some people would use the word "challenge" instead of "hassle". Yes, I can understand why some people are indifferent to it. No, I've never been traumatized by the worst sorts of portrayals of cross-gender characters. No, it has nothing to do with role-playing romantic scenes with a person of the same sex. And, yes, I do find it easier to imagine the man sitting next to me as a male dwarf, elf, or halfling than a female human in many cases. Why? Among other reasons, because the pronouns don't change for the male dwarf, elf, or halfing and do change for the female human.

What about GMs and NPCs, then? The fact that it's a necessity aside, in my experience, the problem is reduced for NPCs. Among the reasons, in my experience, are that a GM provides more "markers" about the characters they are portraying, which helps the players keep them straight. Basically, the GM needs to let the players know which NPC is speaking or doing something. And a player talking in first person about what their character is doing won't provide gender clues about their character while a GM giving a third person description of what an NPC says or does will, because English has gender in the third person pronouns but not the first person pronouns.

That doesn't mean that problem isn't there. In fact, I got to see that particular problem in action in a game that I'm currently playing in. Despite a good attempt by the GM to role-play a scene through, the impression I got of his NPC was very different than what he intended. Either he was having a real problem properly portraying playful romantic banter or I was having a real problem picking it up. Needless to say, I had to simply ask him what his intent was because the impression I was getting of his NPC was very different than the impression he was trying to send.

Maybe if I role-played in Japanese (which provides some strong gender markers in the first person) or Finnish (which doesn't provide any gender markers in the third person), I'd have a different experience. But, alas, I role-play in English.
 

Destan said:
Well, I know I used the word 'hang-up', but I really don't see it as that. Or, at least, I didn't see it as that until the flood of anti-Destan posts came tumbling into my inbox. Now I'm fairly certain that I belong to a very, very small minority on this issue. While that doesn't necessarily mean I'm wrong, it certainly doesn't help my cause.

The criticisms being leveled against you are uncalled for and unfounded. As for the ridiculous Freudian haruspicy that others are engaging in, I encourage you to ignore it. It is difficult enough to psychoanalyze someone in person--doing so over the internet is nigh impossible. Besides which, as I previously stated, there is nothing wrong with you for imposing that restriction.
 


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