When is a power used? (Crescendo Sword)

[1of3]

Hi.

When is a power considered used? As soon as it the use is declared or only after everything is resolved?

Or to be more specific, can a Swordmaster use Crescendo Sword to regain Crescendo Sword?

 

[Jhaelen]

Hi.

When is a power considered used? As soon as it the use is declared or only after everything is resolved?

Or to be more specific, can a Swordmaster use Crescendo Sword to regain Crescendo Sword?

Are you thinking about an infinite loop? If you do, there's your answer.

 

[-Avalon-]

A power is considered used after all effects of the power have been tallied and worked out.

If the power you have let's you regain a power, then you would pick the power first (as an effect of the current power) then the original power would be finished and put in the "discard" pile.

Sorry, this game works a lot like "Magic: The Gathering" now... many of the rules for the game are echoed in 4th edition.

Problem I have is, according to the retraining section, a person can retrain any power he knows for one of the same type of equal or lesser level... I believe it also says that the power can be a power that you already know, that way you can have duplicates to use...

So just get that Crescendo power twice, and use them on each other... I think that is technically legal, and requires a sacrifice of having the extra versatility...

 

[D'karr]

A power is considered used after all effects of the power have been tallied and worked out.

If the power you have let's you regain a power, then you would pick the power first (as an effect of the current power) then the original power would be finished and put in the "discard" pile.

Sorry, this game works a lot like "Magic: The Gathering" now... many of the rules for the game are echoed in 4th edition.

Problem I have is, according to the retraining section, a person can retrain any power he knows for one of the same type of equal or lesser level... I believe it also says that the power can be a power that you already know, that way you can have duplicates to use...

So just get that Crescendo power twice, and use them on each other... I think that is technically legal, and requires a sacrifice of having the extra versatility...

The Powers Section on pg 27. states clearly that you can take a power only once. So even if you retrain later, that restriction is still in place.

 

[Mort_Q]

FYI: There's a paragon path for humans that lets you take a power twice.

 

[D'karr]

FYI: There's a paragon path for humans that lets you take a power twice.

And that would be a Specific rule superseding a General rule, which does not address the retraining issue being discussed above.

 

[-Avalon-]

The Powers Section on pg 27. states clearly that you can take a power only once. So even if you retrain later, that restriction is still in place.

Thank you. It was my mistake. Apologies

 

[Mort_Q]

And that would be a Specific rule superseding a General rule, which does not address the retraining issue being discussed above.

Never claimed otherwise.

 

[Regicide]

A power is considered used after all effects of the power have been tallied and worked out.

Source? That seems wrong as it opens up the possibility of using the same power multiple times if it can be used as an interrupt and a standard or move.

If the power you have let's you regain a power, then you would pick the power first (as an effect of the current power) then the original power would be finished and put in the "discard" pile.

There aren't any cards, there isn't a discard pile, and there isn't a stack to temporarily place your power on.

Sorry, this game works a lot like "Magic: The Gathering" now... many of the rules for the game are echoed in 4th edition.

Not even remotely. You don't lose if you can't draw a power, you don't have an upkeep, you don't tap anything, you don't have cards, there isn't any concept of discard or stack, summoning doesn't have summoning sickness, you can't drop artifacts into existence from nowhere, you can't use summons to block, they don't trample, targeting rules are completely different, regeneration is completely different, protection does not equal resistance, invulnerable does not equal immunity, concealment does not equal shadow etc. etc.

Anyway, for lack of anything definite in PHB, a power is used when it's used so it could recover itself.

 

[-Avalon-]

Source? That seems wrong as it opens up the possibility of using the same power multiple times if it can be used as an interrupt and a standard or move.

This one is more of something called common sense really... when do you deal damage, when an attack has been found to have hit. When do you say that the attack is "resolved" after all damage has been assigned. Well, in same sense, a power is not considered "used/finished" until the effects of it have been tallied up. I would not think you would need a rule to discover that... to me it would be like saying someone needs a source to prove that breathing is necessary... umm, ok, yeah... "it's done when it is done" seems slightly obvious.

There aren't any cards, there isn't a discard pile, and there isn't a stack to temporarily place your power on.



Not even remotely. You don't lose if you can't draw a power, you don't have an upkeep, you don't tap anything, you don't have cards, there isn't any concept of discard or stack, summoning doesn't have summoning sickness, you can't drop artifacts into existence from nowhere, you can't use summons to block, they don't trample, targeting rules are completely different, regeneration is completely different, protection does not equal resistance, invulnerable does not equal immunity, concealment does not equal shadow etc. etc.

Well, unfortunate for me, fortunate for you... the search function has been limited to only paying subscribers of this forum... which I am not currently.

From the start of this edition until now, there have been off and on side comments from several people (not just on this board) about the likeness of this Edition and: MTG, Various MMO's, and other sources.

I never once said this game IS magic the gathering, for one. Also, many people DO, in fact, use cards... and REALLY? There aren't any cards?? Then must be my imagination that WOTC is selling... oh yeah, POWER CARDS.... wow... and owned by same company selling both games, no way they would ever somehow utilize similar concepts...

When players use the cards, at least in my group... it is eerie how they either turn them to the side, flip them over, or "discard" them... almost as if it is natural to do so...

I don't understand why you chose to target me, and speak to me harshly (because yes it came off as insulting), and with, what I take as, so little to back you up. Along with having a similar quality to trolls on other boards, "Source?" Seems to be a very common question used to try and incite issues...

Anyway, for lack of anything definite in PHB, a power is used when it's used so it could recover itself.

_My Opinion_: This statement is wrong. Do what you will though.