When you're the only one who likes what you like

[Rechan]

Have you ever been the only person, among all those you associate with, who likes something? And everyone else is indifferent to displeased with it?

Because I'm starting to feel very alone in my like of 4e.

Outside of EnWorld, everyone I know who games is pretty down on it. I run a 4e game, and my players just openly insult it now - they had about a 5 minute "Yeah, it sucks this way too" conversation last session. My online friends will say, "I've grown to hate 4e - but this I like".

And then I come to EnWorld with its edition wars.

I'm not saying that the opinions aren't legitimate. But it's starting to seem like my like isn't legitimate. Me, I adore the system. So it feels like there's no where I can go - not my friends, not online gaming friends in casual conversation, not online forums - where what I like isn't being trashed. It's a culmination of becoming a joke or thing of contention everywhere I look.

It's starting to really hurt my feelings.

 

[Dice4Hire]

Well, lots of message board, PbP, Yahoo, Maptool, OpenRPG games out there. Find one and enjoy. I can understand a lot of people do not like 4E, I am treating it as equal to 3.5 myself, so find somewhere where people like it. The Interwebs is a big place, and has room for everyone.

 

[C_M2008]

Interesting, it's the opposite here, I never hear anything about 3e anymore (which is fine, I don't like 3e anyway), 4e seems to be the dominant D&D in the area.

It would be terrible to have this happen though, no one enjoys something you love doing. Have you talked to your friends about it or do they have the typical hater attitudes: "no roleplaying, its an MMO, etc" If you lived near me I'd say join us but that's not an option if your address is accurate.

 

[SteveC]

That's very difficult. For me, I wouldn't keep running a game that my friends disliked enough to start mocking it...I think that would last about 10 minutes with me these days. I say difficult because I find it hard to believe that people who are your friends would be so inconsiderate.

For me, if everyone I knew wanted to play a game I'm no longer interested in (I'm assuming they're still 3X editioners?) I'd look for another group to game with...while still continuing to do other things with the original group.

Maybe a switch to a completely different system might be in order? Something not at all related to D&D?

It's a tough situation, that's true...good luck!

--Steve

 

[samursus]

You are not alone Rechan.

I tried to run 4e with my old group, and unfortunately, soon afterwards, half of them moved away.

Because we were only able to play 3 sessions or so, RIGHT when it came out, I felt like my DM'ing wasn't near as good as it could have been. I also didn't comprehend the paradigm shift from 3e , and readjust. So some players have moved back, but it seems most that are here have 0 desire to play 4e, and are playing 3.5 on their own.

Its fine that they play 3.5, but what bothers me is that they haven't even tried 4e... my brother was talking about all these reasons why 4e sucks..and he hasn't even read any of the books OR played.... he is just repeating what he has heard fromt he others.

I am now attempting to get a game started with someone I contacted through the Find A Player boards at Wizard forums.

 

[Bumbles]

Have you ever been the only person, among all those you associate with, who likes something? And everyone else is indifferent to displeased with it?

Because I'm starting to feel very alone in my like of 4e.

You're not alone! Neither in liking 4E or running into this kind of crowd.

Nor is it a particularly new phenomenon. The same thing happened decades ago, when 3e came out, when 2e came out, and probably during the 1e days.
And it happens with other things too, not related to RPGs at all.

 

[Dyson Logos]

This happens to me all the time. I'm a fan of many old systems, but finding anyone interested in playing them is a long slow task that has involved a lot of issues along the way and building up a bunch of different gaming groups with only a few players in common between them.

 

[Hereticus]

Outside of EnWorld, everyone I know who games is pretty down on it. I run a 4e game, and my players just openly insult it now - they had about a 5 minute "Yeah, it sucks this way too" conversation last session. My online friends will say, "I've grown to hate 4e - but this I like".

This coming Wednesday will be the last of my current 4.0E campaign, as the DM and his wife are moving, and the other three players live an hour in the opposite direction.

I will be starting a new game conveniently the week after this one will end. It will be 3.5E, and the other four players and DM have tried 4.0E and hated it.

I stated my preference here for 3.5E over 4.0E, but to tell the truth I started enjoying 4.0E more when my Wizard hit the upper hero tier levels. My Eladrin Wizard is the only arcane class character, and have created a unique and indespensible role for myself in the party. It also helps that the other players are great role players, and we haven't just crawled from one hack-n-slash encounter to the next.

The DM said that we would level us up to 13th after this last game, and I'd like to play this character again. I'd like to see a 3.5E type cleric introduced to 4.0E. But to tell the truth, of the 20 or so gamers I've talked to IRL over the past six months, only the 15 year old video game addict preferred 4.0E over 3.5E.

Regarding levels, we played three games per level the first seven levels, four for levels eight, nine and ten, and five for levels 11 and 12. We averaged two combat encounters per 3-3.5 hour games. It XP were just doled out for combat kills, we'd probably have earned 60% to 70% of the amount needed per level.

Rechan - I will be in New Paltz for a week in October or November (Rocking Horse Ranch). If you are so inclined, I wouldn't mind stopping by and meeting you and your group and perhaps play one game as a guest PC. I really do like the 4.0E system, but the deal maker is not the system, it is the company.

 

[Rechan]

That's very difficult. For me, I wouldn't keep running a game that my friends disliked enough to start mocking it...

In this case, I'm moving away in two months. So, I'm only continuing to do so in order of keeping peace/keep hanging out with them. Trying to hit reset and try something else would be pointless since I'd only get, max, 8 sessions to teach it, iron it out, get things settled and then have to hand it over to someone else.

Well. AT least I don't feel alone, given this thread.

 

[JeffB]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I sure as heck would not let a game, ANY game, or a bunch of geeks who play the game cause any hurt feelings.

If they don't like 4E and don't want to play, find a group who does, or find something everyone likes to play (like IDK, Call of Cthulhu or whatever). Its just a game- make believe with dragons, and elves, and fairy princesses and the like.

My old players wanted some kind of super-D&D rule-set that doesn't exist (all the crunch, no complication), I got sick of trying to please them all the time, so I dropped the group. When real-life settles down to where I have time to game again, I'll find some people of like mind and game with them. Simple as that. Until that time comes, I'll hang out on ENWorld (and elsewhere) and get a good laugh at all the people (myself included at times) who take this silly make-believe game way too seriously