D&D 4E Where was 4e headed before it was canned?

[Garthanos]

jobstart obvious spambot?

 

[Parmandur]

We are talking about D&D you know horrific things happen. Apparently a non-caster gets to save their falling friend and a caster gets a wasted known spell or other class features are made useless (like the thieves raison d'etre back when it was a big deal that pick lock bit LOL
OR maybe whole classes get jack doodle for improved ability to perform in non-weapon bashing arenas because sacrosanct bounded accuracy is actually not so good in skills when you lack hit points to enable other advancement.

The worst thing that happens is PCs due. Roll up some new ones, move on.

 

[Parmandur]

Just say no is OK as just a hidden part of that low number progression - the real philosophy is DM decides, not just say yes.

I would like to see more No But and Yes But elements going on to tell you the truth.

That's what the dice are for.

 

[Garthanos]

The worst thing that happens is PCs due. Roll up some new ones, move on.

I think poor game experiences is the general premise but whatever Mr flippant.

 

[Parmandur]

I think poor game experiences is the general premise but whatever Mr flippant.

And yet the good game experiences with the ad hoc approach continue somehow....hmmmmm....

 

[Garthanos]

That's what the dice are for.

no clue what you even mean

 

[Garthanos]

And yet the good game experiences

Are subjective.. to me its lets wind the game back to playing the DM instead of playing a game. It becomes more uninteresting the more you emphasize it.

 

[Garthanos]

The more ad populum even in disguised form I hear the less intrigued I get.

 

[Parmandur]

The more ad populum even in disguised form I hear the less intrigued I get.
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Pointing out that the ad hoc approach is what works for people is just bringing in some objectivity: the game as is works great for me, and does not fit your style. By and large, people play the game with that ad hoc style that the rules now are no longer getting in the way of in action resolution.

 

[Garthanos]

I'm not saying it is by any means wrong to prefer the 4E style, but I do find the ad hoc approach easier to improvise in play (which was the original point of the digression).

Well It is definitely easier to improvise non-casters being lame and incompetent failing again and again

Pointing out that the ad hoc approach is what works for people is just bringing in some objectivity: the game as is works great for me, and does not fit your style.

Ad populum was used to support playing Pathfinder the exact opposite style and not acknowledging there are way more factors is silly wrong.