Which Alignment is the hardest to play/follow ?

Hardest Alignment to play/follow ?

  • Lawful Good

    Votes: 18 20.7%
  • Neutral Good

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Chaotic Good

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Lawful Neutral

    Votes: 6 6.9%
  • Lawful Evil

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Chaotic Neutral

    Votes: 20 23.0%
  • Chaotic Evil

    Votes: 11 12.6%
  • True Neutral

    Votes: 22 25.3%
  • Neutral Evil

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • ever present \"other\"

    Votes: 2 2.3%

Well, now, it all depends...

Are we talking the extremes ("I'm playing the chaoticist, evilest fighter ever!") for each of the alignments? Or the more typical approach ("Yeah, I guess I'm neutral good, really. I just try to avoid slipping into evil-land.")?

All are just about equally hard, or easy, in those senses.

It also makes a difference for True Neutral if you're doing the "Cosmic Neutral" or the "Apathetic Neutral". One is much harder than the other.
 

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When a Rogue of an old group of mine got caught trying to rob/kill a poor farmer... I enjoyed very much playing my LG Paladin... the group wanted to payoff the city official to get a lighter punishment for the marauding rogue. LG kicks in and I said that the punishment must fit the crime and that the 50 lashings (whips) should be 100 instead !! My did that player want to kill me... but hey... being Awful Good has to be fun sometimes too...
 

It amuses me how many variations we have on this:

"But, NE means watching out for yourself first and foremost..."

BZZZZZTTTT.

No. I'm going to directly contridict the player's handbook here. Read the description of NE and CE and see if you can see a real distinction. I can't.

CN means watching out for yourself first and foremost. That's clear from the definition of a pure indivualist. You, and the PH, clearly have NE confused with CE.

Neutral Evil is very VERY VERY hard to play correctly or even understand.

If your motivation for your evil acts is self-interest: revenge, amusement, greed, whatever - then you are CE. CE is the idea of furthering yourself at the expense of everyone elses, indeed the only way a CE percieves you can ultimately advance your own cause is on the backs of other people. Competition and scarcity of resources is what its about, and might makes right.

If your motivation for you evil acts is 'the good of the cause': your nation, your family, your belief system, then you are LE. This is the alignment of the acquesition of power to preserve and expand - your way of life, your race, your species - no matter what the cost. LE's see power as the measure of the worth of a society. Laws exist to increase and expand power. Subjects exist to serve the law. Rulers exist to enforce the law and expand the laws sway. Mercy is weakness.

So what is NE? The opposite of NG. Neutral good is 'Good for its own sake.' Good as an ideal, not a means to an end. So, NE is

EVIL FOR ITS OWN SAKE.

Destruction for the sake of the pain it causes. Really nuetral evils, that is to say pure evils, don't like doing what they are doing. If they did, they'd at least be obeying a drive - self gratification - to obtain a good result (pleasure). Nuetral evils are motivated by a hatred of life and even existance. They are nihilists without the joy of anarchy and rebelion or the pleasure found in the company of a subculture. They are universally destructive: destructive of themselves, of the society around them, and any individuals they come in contact with. They do evil SIMPLY because they BELIEVE in it, not because they expect to enjoy it, profit from it, or expect the world to be a better place.

Negating the description of Nuetral Good (which is far too short anyway), we get:

"A NE character does the worst that an evil person can do. He is devoted to hurting others. He works against kings and magistrates, but does not feel particular antipathy to them. Vile, a cleric who hurts others according to thier weaknesses , is neutral evil."

No human, with the possible exception of a sociopath, can truly grasp the enormity of nuetral evil. And even they kill to obtain some sort of temporary release. Most human NE's probably couldn't explain what they do. They just do.

I've yet to meet the person that really enjoys playing his character as a NE. I've meet ALOT that like the purile escapism and ego tripping of CE, and let me tell you - that can get old really fast. I've no respect for DM's that encourage that sort of thing.

I've yet to meet a well played LE character, and think that would be interesting. LN comes in second among least used PC alignments.

I personally think I'd find Neutrality the hardest to play, and the most constraining on my actions (though power gamers tend to find it liberating). I care too much for apethetic, and I don't understand the appeal of 'balance' (So half the world sucks and is miserable, what's so great about that?). The only way I could play it would be as the friend of some more motivated person in the party, who was adventuring because in a sense, it was just going along with the flow.
 

Leopold said:
true neutral..keeping the balance of good vs evil..law and chaos is waaayy tooo much overhead..give me the alignment of greed, power, and treachery and I will be set (NE)...

True Neutral isn't about "keeping the balance" any longer... is it?
 

Well put Celebrim, I agree.
I personally don't allow evil PCs in my game. It just sucks crap and really ain't fun, once you have grown up and play the game for different reasons. I also only play evil PCs only if all the PCs are evil. Then its established, the tone of the game, and we can all have fun...but it's not all that great. Allowing good and evil PCs in the same party is pretty much the number one game-killer there is...in my experience. But, I'm changing the subject...sorry.

I voted CE being the hardest, just because it's so NOT what the game is all about. But, after reading Cerebrims words, I'd change my mind. NE=sociopath. That's just way too demented to be roleplaying.
 

ogre said:
I personally don't allow evil PCs in my game. It just sucks crap and really ain't fun, once you have grown up and play the game for different reasons.

I just finished a solo game about four hours ago. The Player had the first Evil character I've ever DMed. It was really cool! especially when he slit the throat of the mid-wife who was trying to help him out. ;) But maybe we had so much fun because the character had gone through an alignment shift and we were interested in seeing the same personality played with a different outlook. Very cool.
 

Wolfen Priest said:
I'm telling you right now *with authority* you are all wrong (so far). ;)

The answer (upon reflection) is neutral evil. Think about it. Pure Evil. It's not Lawful Good, society rewards such people. But being pure evil, not just tacking "NE" on your character sheet, but truly playing it correctly, would end up making you at least a good few serious enemies.

Think about it. Being evil (and dealing with the results of it) is harder than being good.
NE is cake...all for one and more fo rme..purely greedily simple...how can you go wrong? You are out for number one and he is you, bottom line. You will lie, cheat, steal, kill, maim, and sell your soul for whatever motivates your PC. How hard is that to play?

Caliban says that's CE but Choas and rampant destruction are more along the lines of CE. NE is foucesed and dedicated to getting the task done for his own ends. CE just wants choas and destruction to reign in their path while they squash the good guys. NE is methodical, planning, and calculating.


for me it's cake, for others i can see why they have a hard time with it..but NE is self serving..
 
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Leopold said:
You are out for number one and he is you, bottom line. You will lie, cheat, steal, kill, maim, and sell your soul for whatever motivates your PC. How hard is that to play?

I think it's because you have to be Evil all the time. You know, something happens, like meeting an NPC that you like; but you realize your character would probably flip out and kill 'em dead just for the evilness of it all. Or killing and torturing those who you know are going to help you out later. None of these things are going to help you in the long run.

I guess Evil is self-destructive.
 

ogre said:
I personally don't allow evil PCs in my game. It just sucks crap and really ain't fun, once you have grown up and play the game for different reasons. I also only play evil PCs only if all the PCs are evil. Then its established, the tone of the game, and we can all have fun...but it's not all that great. Allowing good and evil PCs in the same party is pretty much the number one game-killer there is...in my experience. But, I'm changing the subject...sorry.

Well Evil PCs do tend to be kiddy stuff or the whole group... but I have played 2 Lawful Evil types... one in an evil group and one in a goodie good group. Lawful Evil can be more helpful to the group than even the chaotic good and neutral types.

Of course he has to feel he is getting rewarded very well for his help.

Lawful Evil is the easiest to play because most people are naturally Lawful (We come from law abiding countries mostly...) and somewhat Evil (would you give your life for your neighbor ? I woudnt... and somewhat selfish we all are ).
 


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