Who’s your vote for the next James Bond?

[payn]

I think it's part and parcel of making him feel a bit more more realistic. Craig in that shot looks to me like a guy who could have been SAS or something. A guy who could kill someone with his bare hands if he's on undercover assignment and caught without a weapon handy. And not unrealistic in the superhero movie sense of dehydrated cut either.

It's funny you mention dehydrated cut. Chris Prat said when the Disney/Marvel trainers went to work on him, they made him drink ungodly amounts of water everyday.

 

[Mannahnin]

It's funny you mention dehydrated cut. Chris Prat said when the Disney/Marvel trainers went to work on him, they made him drink ungodly amounts of water everyday.

I think that makes sense for during the main cut, pre-shooting. Drinking a ton of water can be a good way to make your stomach feel more full on lower calories.

Then they dehydrate the hell out of you just prior to shooting. Like day 1, get a liter and a half, day 2, a liter, day 3, no water or just enough to keep your mouth from drying out, and day 4 you shoot. I think they follow a very similar process to pro bodybuilders for a show.

 

[payn]

I think that makes sense for during the main cut, pre-shooting. Drinking a ton of water can be a good way to make your stomach feel more full on lower calories.

Then they dehydrate the hell out of you just prior to shooting. Like day 1, get a liter and a half, day 2, a liter, day 3, no water or just enough to keep your mouth from drying out, and day 4 you shoot. I think they follow a very similar process to pro bodybuilders for a show.

Zach something in the neighbors sequel movie with Seth Rogan makes a funny joke about how he needs oil to get full definition of his abs. Makes you wander how much make up is being applied for full effect of average guy taking a shower scene...

 

[TiQuinn]

I think that makes sense for during the main cut, pre-shooting. Drinking a ton of water can be a good way to make your stomach feel more full on lower calories.

Then they dehydrate the hell out of you just prior to shooting. Like day 1, get a liter and a half, day 2, a liter, day 3, no water or just enough to keep your mouth from drying out, and day 4 you shoot. I think they follow a very similar process to pro bodybuilders for a show.

Then have the actor do some bicep curls right before the shot, throw in some baby oil, some down lighting, and bam...jacked.

 

[Guest 85555]

It's funny you mention dehydrated cut. Chris Prat said when the Disney/Marvel trainers went to work on him, they made him drink ungodly amounts of water everyday.

Abs are basically about body fat percentage

 

[Guest 85555]

I getcha. I think it was a factor in the casting that they were trying to get away from "wink and a smile" James Bond and make him a bit more grounded. I think they deliberately wanted to cast against that image a bit. But in the films he DOES have some one-liners. He just delivers them more drily. Moore and Connery most of the time look like they're having fun. Craig's got more range.

Yes, this is exactly it. It is why Dalton still works for me. He is more serious, doesn't feel silly like Moore or Bronsnan, but still has a bit of a wink. I think it is basically I am looking for a certain amount of hamminess in the role

I think it's part and parcel of making him feel a bit more more realistic. Craig in that shot looks to me like a guy who could have been SAS or something. A guy who could kill someone with his bare hands if he's on undercover assignment and caught without a weapon handy. And not unrealistic in the superhero movie sense of dehydrated cut either.

And I appreciate they kind of had to go this direction. Bond wouldn't have survived the 2000s if he was still doing the things we saw in the 90s. For me this just kind of has the effect though of making Bond more like other action movies

 

[Ruin Explorer]

For me this just kind of has the effect though of making Bond more like other action movies

I feel like every era's Bond was kind of influenced by contemporary action movies though?

Brosnan Bond was definitely influenced by '90s action movies, Dalton-Bond was completely unarguably influenced by '80s ones (particularly when he goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge), Moore's Bond was a little all over the place but comparable to a lot of the '70s action stuff of the broader kind, and Connery-era was pretty much defining what '60s action was like in a lot of ways.

Craig-Bond is maybe just continuing a tradition here?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Connery-era was pretty much defining what '60s action was like

I looked into this. Pre-Bond the closest thing was Hitchcock thrillers like North by Northwest (58). After Bond we got stuff like Where Eagles Dare (68).

 

[Ryujin]

We have diametrically opposite tastes in fight choreography. I think the Craig fights are fantastic--dynamic, exciting, tense, and brutal. Someone like Moore on the other hand would do a roly-poly and then tap somebody on the shoulder and they'd fall unconscious.

 

[Guest 85555]

I feel like every era's Bond was kind of influenced by contemporary action movies though?

They are all influenced by their era. No movie exists in a vacuum. But even something like Tomorrow Never Dies, which is obviously bringing in Michelle Yeoh because of her role in movies like Police Story 3, doesn't look or feel like the Police Story Movies. And granted those are two totally different approaches to film production, so this might be a poor example. But then compare a View to a Kill to Commando (think those came out the same year even). Completely different in their action (and again Commando was clearly influenced by the first Police Story, but that feels nothing like it). I don't mind influence and being of its time (if it's an 80s Bond movie, I expect some 80s-isms). I just don't want to feel like it is trying to be other action movies from that era. I feel like with Craig they were more like: let's do a grounded and serious Bond film that feels more like a real action movie (and I get Bond films are real action movies but I think for many decades people filed them in another box and graded them a bit differently than other types of action film: i.e. you let Bond get away with things you'd expect other action heroes to be killed for doing)

Brosnan Bond was definitely influenced by '90s action movies, Dalton-Bond was completely unarguably influenced by '80s ones (particularly when he goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge), Moore's Bond was a little all over the place but comparable to a lot of the '70s action stuff of the broader kind, and Connery-era was pretty much defining what '60s action was like in a lot of ways.

But the second Dalton movie had a guy killed by an automatic sliding door and a shark in a tank the bad guy fed people to. Yes Moore was very 70s, but you wouldn't confuse that action with Dirty Harry. And Connery is setting the stage for other action films so they aren't aping them, they are paving the way (Enter the Dragon for example is an attempt to blend the kung fu genre with Bond). I think the difference for me with all these movies is they still feel distinct to me. Whereas I often confuse the Craig era with all kinds of other action movies from that time in my memories

Craig-Bond is maybe just continuing a tradition here?

I think not only is this not true, I don't even think this is what they were going for. I think they wanted a bold break from Bond tradition with Craig and as much as Craig isn't my favorite Bond, I have to admit they succeeded. Just look at some of the praises people in this thread give the action. It is more realistic, it is more grounded. The tone is way more gritty and real. That feels like a very sharp break from Bond tradition (and I think that is why of people would defend the Craig era).