Why are my FLGS completely ignorant?

Psychic Warrior said:
WHich stores did you go to? I usually go to LA Mood's or World's Away for my games stuff. Both places are pretty good (although there is one clerk at LA Mood's who's a little weak on RPG knowledge) and I haven't had any complaints so far (12 years and counting of frequenting LA Mood's).

Imperial Hobbies is useless unless you are into spending 100's of dollars on Warhammer.

Sadly, the Shackled City story is from LA Mood, and they still won't guarantee me it's coming in this Friday. Still, I have to admit it's the best gaming store I've ever gone to - clean, nice, with friendly (if not always knowledgeable) staff that don't BS me too much (except this one time with Shackled City release dates - at one point they told me that it wasn't out yet, and the copies I'd heard about from EN World were advance review copies. That was total BS).

The other story (about the "No more 3.0") is from Worlds Away. I've actually had negligibly bad luck with Worlds Away so far. I work about a block away from there, and I have to wait for a bus right outside their door for about half an hour a day. Despite this, I've never spent a cent there - they never seem to have what I want (I don't desire a lot of WotC products or greasy comic store owners). They didn't order in any Shackled City copies, either.

As for Imperial Hobbies, you're right - they are useless. My wife ended up buying me a Christmas present from Imperial Hobbies around Christmas, and my wife was accosted by the owner, who told her in no uncertain terms that she was probably ruining some child's Christmas by buying their last Lord of the Rings risk box. I mean, this guy does NOT want to make sales.
 

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the Jester said:
Service and knowing what the hell I'm talking about are the only ways my FLGS can compete with big chains. After all, big chains can afford to slap discounts on the stuff I want pretty often.

But I much prefer Bizarro World, my FLGS (just to name-drop in case you're ever in Davis, CA)!
This guy is telling the truth.

Bizarro World is a great FLGS. The local Borders has a better manga selection, but I always go to Bizarro World for D&D products and when I want to get something that is a little more elusive simply because the guys there are knowledgable and friendly. I really hope that copy of Iron Heroes I ordered comes in soon...
 

There is one FLGS in my town that's been pretty bad. I'll be polite and not name names (unless somebody really needs/wants to know).

It started out five years ago as a Comic Book/Gaming/Anime/Collectable Toy store, trying to be a one stop fanboy/geek shop. The usual shelves of comic books and back-issue boxes, a bookcase of RPG's with a rack of those newfangled Mage Knight minis that were just coming out, and a huge back Anime room where you could rent the videos or buy them right off the shelf and he'd reorder them and restock the shelves, as well as old toys from the 70's & 80's that were being sold for small fortunes.

Well, this all started to go downhill quickly, as it became clear that the owner only really cared about the comic books and the rest were just there because they'd sell a little and pad out the store. His "roleplaying game" section was a small bookcase with the newest WotC and White Wolf releases, and a few linear feet of random books he picked up at a liquidation auction somewhere. It became crystal clear that he didn't know what he was saying with regards to RPG's when the Wheel of Time game came out, and he asked me for advice on it. He was baffled that this strange book came in that seemed like D&D, but it wasn't for D&D or any D&D setting he'd heard of (i.e. the Realms). I had to explain to him that it was an RPG based on a series of fantasy novels (he'd never heard of Wheel of Time) and that it was using the d20 system but not D&D (he never understood that part, either it was D&D or it wasn't, I eventually just broke down and said it was another D&D setting book, just because it was all he could understand).

He claimed he could get anything, and he meant anything by special order, with regards to RPG's, Comics, Anime, or anything fanboyish. My fiancee wanted a specific anime soundtrack CD, which he looked up in his catalogs and said he could order it and it would come in the next tuesday and cost "X" dollars (I don't recall actually how much, but he cited a price). She came back the next week, and it wasn't in, but he promised it would be in the next week. She kept coming in for two months, every week, asking. She gave up after 8 or 9 weeks of promises and tracked the disc down elsewhere, bought it, had it shipped, and was listening to it regularly. Then, about six months later she just decided to drop in to that store again randomly, having largely forgotten about the order. He says that the disc finally just came in, and it will cost 4X dollars (i.e. 4 times what he cited). She says that she gave up after months of false promises and it had now been about 8 or 9 months since she first placed the order. He said in no uncertain terms, she had ordered it, so she was buying it for 4X dollars or she was never going to be allowed in that store again. She stormed out and never went back.

Then, his special ordering of Anime went down the tubes. Again, his plan was to have a video-store type arrangement where you could rent videos from him, or buy them right off the shelf and he'd restock. Apparently this was working too well, because he was having to reorder a lot of videos as they were getting bought. A friend of mine went to there to buy a box-set of a series he had on his shelf, and was told in no uncertain terms he didn't sell the videos anymore. He'd be happy to special order a copy of the box set and it would be in "next tuesday", but end of story, he wasn't selling things off the shelf anymore because he hated having to reorder things. When my friend said he liked to actually buy things off of a shelf instead of ordering out of a catalog and picking them up days later, the owner of the store told my friend to leave and go buy it at the video store in the Mall. He did, and never came back.

His Anime plan also abused the Anime club at the local University. During the summer of 2001, we didn't have access to the University meeting facilities since they were closed for the summer. He offered to let us have meetings at his store. So we did, and we watched our tapes and had our meetings in his back room. Our members did a little shopping while they were there, and we gained a few new members from his clientele, so we both benefited from this arrangement. However, after the Fall semester began and we started meeting back on campus, his attitude changed. Every time a member would post to our listserv about a new tape that was coming out, or something they had bought or ordered, he would chide them on the list for not shopping at his store, and remind everybody about his store and extole us to only shop with him. This became interpreted as spam as so many posts were followed up with a sales pitch from him, so he was ejected from the list by club vote. We were about to buy a gift in gratitude for his hospitality over the summer, when he told the club officers that in no uncertain terms, he wanted the club to disband as a university organization, and become a wholly owned publicity arm of his store, and he wanted to take ownership of the club treasury and it's fairly extensive tape and disc library. When we said no, he was fairly spiteful with the club officers, saying that we owed him big for everything he did for us, and we'd been ungrateful for not giving him more business and we'd never succeed without being a part of his store (the club had existed for about 4 years at that point).

Lastly, he kept growing his inventory of old toys to sell. At one point he'd bought a huge lot of old GI Joe toys from the 80's, and his backroom was cluttered with vehicles, bases, parts & pieces. He knew I was a big fan of these toys, and still had a fair amount from when I was a kid. He asked me to come in and make these toys viable for sale. He wanted me to clean them up, sort them, piece them together, and generally turn this bulk lot of dirty toys probably from some attic or garage into salable merchandise. He said I could probably do it in 6 or 8 hours since I knew what parts went with what, while it would take him several days to look it all up online and figure it out. I asked how much was he willing to pay me for it. He acted deeply offended, and said that I should come in and do it because I was "his friend", and that I should be happy to come in and be friendly with him. So, he wanted me to spend about 8 hours of unpaid work for his store to turn a bulk lot of material he bought at a yard sale for about $50 into refined merchandise he'd later put up for resale for $1000 total. I never did do the free labor for him, and he always seemed upset with me for not being "friendly" to him by doing that. Not long after that I stopped regularly going by that store.

So, I visited it one more time a few weeks ago. It was the first time in probably three years I'd been there. The anime section was completely gone, the RPG section was just a cast-off bookcase in a forgotten corner of the store (I had to actually search for it) that had no books less than a year old, the toys were buried and largely forgotten in another part of the store, the only games that were prominently displayed were racks of CCG cards. 90%+ of the store's volume was now a dedicated comic book store, and the backroom was now hosting a Yu-Gi-Oh tournament. I noticed that the parts of the store where I had always gotten bad service were now gone, and that the comics (the thing the owner actually cared about) were what now received all the attention.
 

As a disabled person, I consider your inaccurate use of the word "retarded" offensive. I would venture your vocab is bigger than that.
 

Umbran said:
Here's the thing - do you expect an employee at any other retail store to be fully aware of what's going on in inventory? Do you call a clothing store expecting the person who works there to be able to find a particular sweater? You expect them to be able to point you to the Land's End merchandise, sure, but the individual style and color of sweater?

Yes
 

rycanada said:
Sadly, the Shackled City story is from LA Mood, and they still won't guarantee me it's coming in this Friday. Still, I have to admit it's the best gaming store I've ever gone to - clean, nice, with friendly (if not always knowledgeable) staff that don't BS me too much (except this one time with Shackled City release dates - at one point they told me that it wasn't out yet, and the copies I'd heard about from EN World were advance review copies. That was total BS).

That's dissappointing. Gord and Carol and two of the nicest store owners I've met - they are, however, at the mercy of their somewhat erractic distributor (who also, unfortunately, gives them some of the innaccurate information they get). I hope you get your book this Friday because I would hate to see them lose a customer forever.
The other story (about the "No more 3.0") is from Worlds Away. I've actually had negligibly bad luck with Worlds Away so far. I work about a block away from there, and I have to wait for a bus right outside their door for about half an hour a day. Despite this, I've never spent a cent there - they never seem to have what I want (I don't desire a lot of WotC products or greasy comic store owners). They didn't order in any Shackled City copies, either.

Truth be told I but D&D Miniatures there simply because his price can't be beat. He also has good prices on the WotC books but you are right about him having zero product of any third party publisher - if you have a chance stop by the Comic Book COllector just down the street. He has a fair stock of D&D stuff and good prices.
As for Imperial Hobbies, you're right - they are useless. My wife ended up buying me a Christmas present from Imperial Hobbies around Christmas, and my wife was accosted by the owner, who told her in no uncertain terms that she was probably ruining some child's Christmas by buying their last Lord of the Rings risk box. I mean, this guy does NOT want to make sales.
Yeah, that sounds like Dave Carnige alright. I seriously think he is mentally ill as his behaviour is very strange. Back in the day when I was a Warhammer fanatic we dubbed him "Carnage" Carnige due to the absolute mess his store (and himself) was in. I mean product stacked on the floor kind of mess too.
 

Originally Posted by Umbran
Here's the thing - do you expect an employee at any other retail store to be fully aware of what's going on in inventory? Do you call a clothing store expecting the person who works there to be able to find a particular sweater? You expect them to be able to point you to the Land's End merchandise, sure, but the individual style and color of sweater?

Well, yeah, I do. Why wouldn't you?
 

Psychic Warrior said:
Well, yeah, I do. Why wouldn't you?
me, too.

esp a particular sweater that i might mention style, color, brand..

heck, i'd expect them to rattle off any that are close to that from other brands too.
 

Hey Mystery Man, istn' ground zero off of fort crook road? Or did they move. If it's the store I'm thinking of (and I think it is based of the phone number) it's always been a great store. I miss that place. I used to get everything there. The one downtown always sucked in comparison. I haven't been there in four years because I moved out of the area. But before I left they offered to keep a standing order of some comics I liked and ship them to me. Always excelent service and a knowledgable staff. If they didn't know, they'd find out for you. They may not have always been right, but they would double check if gave them different information.
 

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