Why do d20 haters hang out here?

[Melan]

Well, I don't like 3e that much anymore, but I registered here way before I realized the game wasn't for me. Not that I hate d20, I'd just play something else at the moment. There are still a lot of threads which are useful and interesting to me, including discussions and debates on older editions. On other boards, such as Dragonsfoot, such debates would be rather one-sided and boring...

 

[Digital Archon]

It just seems to me that all those words and all that time spent on bagging what amounts to "let's pretend with dice and paper" is kind of pointless, and could be better used for something more productive.

 

[Odhanan]

To show off and expose their great intelligence to morons who love d20 (such as I).

 

[hellbender]

I would say simply because it is allowed. There are some people here who just get their way and that is the way things work, one would think that on a 3e site people would talk about 3e in a fairly positive manner, not just coming here to make fools of themselves. People who take the time to come here and post how much they hate d20 or 3.x are just not good stewards of their time. There are other outlets for different versions of DnD, but some people just insist on thinking it is cute to show their "hat" (I really loved the internet when it first spread, back when people could actually spell and there was no 1337-speak at all) instead of being constructive. If you think about it, they are almost to be pitied, wasting their time when they could be playing the games they really like.

 

[Turjan]

Have you ever noticed that the people who rag on Star Trek the most are usually its biggest fans? They complain because they care so much about it. They want it to be perfect. It could be the same thing here.

Sounds like a good reason. It's like an old love you're not quite over with yet .

 

[The Shaman]

I would say simply because it is allowed. There are some people here who just get their way and that is the way things work, one would think that on a 3e site people would talk about 3e in a fairly positive manner, not just coming here to make fools of themselves. People who take the time to come here and post how much they hate d20 or 3.x are just not good stewards of their time. There are other outlets for different versions of DnD, but some people just insist on thinking it is cute to show their "hat" (I really loved the internet when it first spread, back when people could actually spell and there was no 1337-speak at all) instead of being constructive. If you think about it, they are almost to be pitied, wasting their time when they could be playing the games they really like.

Let's be clear on something: Disliking 3e Dungeons and Dragons and disliking d20 system games is not the same thing.

One of my all-time favorite roleplaying games is d20 Modern (along with Sidewinder: Recoiled, a Western RPG that uses the Modern SRD), I'm a big fan of Mutants and Masterminds and Conan RPG, and one of these days I'd like to play Castles and Crusades, when the fantasy jones takes me again.

I am not a fan of 3e Dungeons and Dragons however, for a number of reasons discussed elsewhere.

In any case, I would argue that constructive criticism may be more useful in the long run than a perpetual fanboy circle-jerk - I've yet to find a game system that couldn't be tweaked in interesting ways, and some of the folks on ENWorld produce great ideas that make my gaming experience better.

With that in mind, my main reason for visiting the General RPG forum of ENWorld was already captured quite nicely:

1) There are a lot of good ideas here regardless of what you play.

 

[Odhanan]

In any case, I would argue that constructive criticism may be more useful in the long run than a perpetual fanboy circle-jerk

You're speaking of constructive criticism. Great. I just would like to point out that calling people who like core D&D "fanboys" isn't a constructive criticism, nor is it helping anyone using such terms to be regarded as constructive.

 

[hellbender]

Let's be clear on something: Disliking 3e Dungeons and Dragons and disliking d20 system games is not the same thing.

One of my all-time favorite roleplaying games is d20 Modern (along with Sidewinder: Recoiled, a Western RPG that uses the Modern SRD), I'm a big fan of Mutants and Masterminds and Conan RPG, and one of these days I'd like to play Castles and Crusades, when the fantasy jones takes me again.

I am not a fan of 3e Dungeons and Dragons however, for a number of reasons discussed elsewhere.

In any case, I would argue that constructive criticism may be more useful in the long run than a perpetual fanboy circle-jerk - I've yet to find a game system that couldn't be tweaked in interesting ways, and some of the folks on ENWorld produce great ideas that make my gaming experience better.

With that in mind, my main reason for visiting the General RPG forum of ENWorld was already captured quite nicely:

I agree with you, completely, I do apologise for just tossing d20/DnD into one lump, that was my faux pas. There are many d20 games out there. I meant my statement towards people who just come here to sling acid around and think that it is funny or charming to drone on about how horrid d20/3.5 is.

And yes, constructive criticism is the best. I don't think 3.5 is perfect and I play it with quite a few houserules. The General section is good for bringing up all kinds of games too, you will notice that I gave advice on Warhammer 2e and I run a large Yahoogroup dedicated to the game. There is a difference between having an opinion and just being negative for the sake of it.

 

[hellbender]

You're speaking of constructive criticism. Great. I just would like to point out that calling people who like core D&D "fanboys" isn't a constructive criticism, nor is it helping anyone using such terms to be regarded as constructive.

I actually took his statement to be fairly generic to people who hop on any "this is the greatest rpg ever!" bandwagon. There is certainly a fanboy group for 1e here as well, which is about the oddest thing in so many ways that I have ever heard of, and I grew up on 1e myself. One day they might find out that there are a few websites for 1e out there.

 

[Digital Archon]

In any case, I would argue that constructive criticism may be more useful in the long run

I agree, actually. Constructive criticism is a good thing. Rambling on about how much you hate everything in teh system and how it kicked your dog for 500 words without a suggestion to "do it better" (besides "Play x!", i mean) isn't particularly constructive.

Not that i'm bagging on "Play X" either.