D&D General Why do good monsters exist, from a game design standpoint?


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For the purposes of this thread, I’m referring to monsters that are of good alignment as the default, as opposed to being potentially good. Blink dogs, flumphs, and the like. Most monsters are either neutral or evil, which makes sense given the implicit assumption in most campaigns that the PCs aren’t the villains and makes it easier to justify dungeon-crawling when the inhabitants are a threat to wider society. But while rare, there have been a few good-aligned monsters throughout D&D’s history.

They often serve to help worldbuilding, particularly in regards to verisimilitude. Such as angels being the servants of benevolent deities and the cosmic counterbalance to demons and devils, and why the Material Plane hasn’t been overrun with fiends. Or having close ties to the good-aligned PC races, like Giant Eagles being common allies of elves.

But what role are good-aligned monsters meant to have when it comes to game design? One could argue that they serve as allies to the party, particularly when viewed in the case of summoned monsters, but that set of spells hasn’t been universal throughout Editions. And in regards to the more explicitly powerful entities like ancient metallic dragons, storm giants, and solar angels, they can become a minor version of the Elminster Problem where one asks why they haven’t gotten around to dealing with some problem or other that the PCs must handle. Another argument I’ve heard is that they can be an alternative set of antagonists in campaigns where the PCs are evil-aligned or otherwise morally compromised, but evil campaigns tend to be rather rare. And the amount of good-aligned monsters that exist typically aren’t large enough to match the versatility and scale of the rest of the monster manuals.

So, what purpose do you think good-aligned monsters serve from a mechanical standpoint? I’m eager to hear people’s thoughts.
Beyond verisimilitude reasons (which are very important to me and more than enough reason to include them for me),when these monsters were created there was no assumption in D&D that the PCs are heroic. Plenty of room for mercenary or even villainous motives existed (and still exists), and they need to be challenged too.
 

In addition to everything everyone has written above, I'll also add: they make great "traveling merchants."

Roll up their treasure as normal, add a few potions and scrolls, and you have their shop inventory. The gold and coins in their treasure hoard? That's their till for buying all the stuff that the heroes want to sell. For roleplaying, give them three rumors to share with the party (two true, one false), and maybe a plot hook (a thief is on the loose, watch out for a monster over the next hill, meet me back in town for a job, etc.) Presto you've got a 30-minute distraction that can advance the plot and make the world feel more vibrant...instead of a one-hour combat scene that does neither.
That's an awesome idea! I'll have to use that.
 

But what role are good-aligned monsters meant to have when it comes to game design? One could argue that they serve as allies to the party, particularly when viewed in the case of summoned monsters, but that set of spells hasn’t been universal throughout Editions. And in regards to the more explicitly powerful entities like ancient metallic dragons, storm giants, and solar angels, they can become a minor version of the Elminster Problem where one asks why they haven’t gotten around to dealing with some problem or other that the PCs must handle. Another argument I’ve heard is that they can be an alternative set of antagonists in campaigns where the PCs are evil-aligned or otherwise morally compromised, but evil campaigns tend to be rather rare. And the amount of good-aligned monsters that exist typically aren’t large enough to match the versatility and scale of the rest of the monster manuals.

So, what purpose do you think good-aligned monsters serve from a mechanical standpoint? I’m eager to hear people’s thoughts.
I think I need a bit of clarification.

If the question is why are there stat blocks for Good creatures, the answer is, primarily, so that they can be fought. Not all PC's are Good, not all "Good" creatures are benevolent or helpful for the PC's goals. Good creatures can make for some interesting and nuanced antagonists; even a straightforward "fallen angel" storyline can be a lot of fun, and a more nuanced "Good, but Antagonistic" enemy for the party is just meaty as heck with role playing and interesting combat opportunities. Sometimes the PC's are just treasure hunters, and a metallic dragon's hoard is worth as much as a chromatic's, after all. Solar angels may serve as guardians of ancient ruins.

Secondarily, Good creatures have stat blocks to be allies in combat. This is probably one of the bigger design goal misses in D&D's history, but ideally, you have stat blocks that are good from a Player perspective to call on, with abilities like healing and buffs that make it a good ally to use in a fight, with Player-facing mechanics that call upon the creature. Being an angel-summoning agent of divine will is a fun fantasy archetype that relies on these stat blocks.

In both cases, you use stat blocks to fight. Stat blocks are primarily a combat element, so using them to fight PC's, or for the PC's to use in a fight, is why you would have stat blocks for Good creatures.

This is enough reason to have most of the Good creatures in the MM, for me.

But there's a more broad question, which is why do Good monsters even exist in the game? As in, even if the Solar had no functional statblock and was never anything you fought or called upon to fight for you, what does it do?

Well, without a Combat dimension, we can look at the other pillars - exploration and social interaction.

The latter pillar is pretty straightforward, because it's the same reasons you'd give a Good character a stat block - because they make for very interesting antagonists and fun allies. Not something you want to use all the time, of course, but when you want your D&D game to get a little philosophical and pit versions of Good against each other and show how easy it is to stray from the path and fall (even for these exemplars), that's a juicy critter to use as an antagonist. And when you're recruiting powerful allies against the armies of evil or something, they can be fun allies. Even if you don't directly use them in combat, they can be a fun way to counter an overwhelming enemy force with an overwhelming ally force (every red dragon is opposed by a gold, every cloud giant is opposed by a storm giant). So they're extremely useful on that pillar.

The other pillar - exploration - is a rarer use case, but not absent. Powerful Good monsters are often at the center of lore-heavy locations in the world, such as ruins of kingdoms past watched over by angelic protectors or the resting places of dark artifacts guarded by metallic dragons. These creatures give those locations a voice, a defender, and a thing to find that adds to the location's characterization.

So, broadly, in terms of game design:
  • Good Monsters make interesting antagonists, to fight or to deal with in ways other than fighting (such as convincing a metallic dragon to give up an artifact of great power in its hoard to a party of grubby adventurers)
  • Good Monsters are great PC allies, either in a fight, or in ways other than fighting (such as calling upon the wisdom of an angel to resolve a dispute between powerful kings)
  • Good Monsters add depth and characterization to locations in the world such as ruins and abandoned temples and other kinds of dungeons (such as the lair of a reclusive storm giant). They can make it easy and fun to interact with the lore and history of the setting.
They add things that are a little less direct, too, such as worldbuilding and exploring the dimensions of the game's conflicts, but those aren't quite as critical.

FWIW, I think it's wrong to imagine the MM as a collection of statblocks, and even more, it's wrong to imagine the MM as a collection of statblocks that you are intended to fight. 4e's design was colossally disappointing in that regard, even as it was very focused for its intent.
 

Good monsters are a world building tool, they help to define the worlds tone and to keep the world fantastical.

A world with just humans is largely mundane, add intelligent animals it becomes whimsical, non-human humanoids (including angels) it becomes fantastical but with intelligent non-humanoid NPCs it becomes Wonderous
 

For the purposes of this thread, I’m referring to monsters that are of good alignment as the default, as opposed to being potentially good. Blink dogs, flumphs, and the like. Most monsters are either neutral or evil, which makes sense given the implicit assumption in most campaigns that the PCs aren’t the villains and makes it easier to justify dungeon-crawling when the inhabitants are a threat to wider society. But while rare, there have been a few good-aligned monsters throughout D&D’s history.

They often serve to help worldbuilding, particularly in regards to verisimilitude. Such as angels being the servants of benevolent deities and the cosmic counterbalance to demons and devils, and why the Material Plane hasn’t been overrun with fiends. Or having close ties to the good-aligned PC races, like Giant Eagles being common allies of elves.

But what role are good-aligned monsters meant to have when it comes to game design? One could argue that they serve as allies to the party, particularly when viewed in the case of summoned monsters, but that set of spells hasn’t been universal throughout Editions. And in regards to the more explicitly powerful entities like ancient metallic dragons, storm giants, and solar angels, they can become a minor version of the Elminster Problem where one asks why they haven’t gotten around to dealing with some problem or other that the PCs must handle. Another argument I’ve heard is that they can be an alternative set of antagonists in campaigns where the PCs are evil-aligned or otherwise morally compromised, but evil campaigns tend to be rather rare. And the amount of good-aligned monsters that exist typically aren’t large enough to match the versatility and scale of the rest of the monster manuals.

So, what purpose do you think good-aligned monsters serve from a mechanical standpoint? I’m eager to hear people’s thoughts.
They support combat scenarios more complex than simply "kill everything that isn't you." For example:

1. The good monster is an ally (not a summon or pet, an actual ally) that helps the party.

2. The good monster must be rescued or released. Once it is, it helps the party.

3. The good monster is an antagonist due to misunderstanding, mind control, etc. The party has to defeat it, or at least fend it off, but doesn't want to kill it.

4. For a high-powered good monster, it battles a similarly powerful evil monster to keep it busy while the PCs complete some essential task -- in essence, the good monster's hit points serve as a "clock" for the party.

5. As a variant on 4, the good monster softens up the evil monster and lets the PCs scope out its abilities before tackling it.
 

I think that in some cases (or metallic/chromatic dragons) it's just a matter of "why not have a conflicting side for world building". In others like celestials though they tend to ring a bit hollow and that's probably the fault of satanic panic forcing their addition or reworking. That second group could probably use an extra helping of good is not nice like the angels from Supernatural demonstrate over & over again and/or stuff like some of the awful downsides that come with "good" in madoka magica∆ to give them more reason to exist outstor a Santa Claus/helpful hero role. Unlike dragons, a lot of those monsters don't really have any natural need/role that could plausibly be a problem for anyone.

∆lots of other good examples of flawed cursed/haunted and dark for greater good "good" forces like watchmen &such, I picked that one because it's pretty much a series rooted in showcasing all of them in psychological horror as it's primary tools for inversion & deconstruction of a genre.


 
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It gets monotonous to only ever kill things during an adventure.

Speak for yourself. I want good creatures in the game because I'm an equal-opportunity killer. And the bounties on evil creatures tend to have much more competition than those on good creatures.
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