D&D General Why Enworld should liberate D&D from Hasbro

[Thomas Shey]

I'm not sure it's about edgy characters. Well, that's part of it, but I also think that the players who do like to play fundamentally good-hearted characters like playing characters who choose good. They aren't good because they have some kind of inherent good instincts inherited from celestial ancestors, but because they are brought up that way or have consciously chosen to follow that path.

I dunno. I played an Aasimar in the last PF2e game I was in, and I didn't find him dull, nor did the other players. He was a little on the goofy side (he was a bard/champion hybrid serving the goddess of art), cheery, and his girlfriend was a tiefling. His back history was complicated and involved a really long term breeding project by his ancestors (who were wizards). He might have started with a lean in to good, but he went off and still did some wildchild things when he was younger, and he could have easily stayed a bard his whole life barring an event that deflected him. I never felt all that interfered with how he came off.

I think the big thing that made him work is he was never above-it-all.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

5.5 is faster to type than 2024 and everyone knows what you mean.

That's not actually true. I guess everyone here knows what you mean, but regular people do not. I deal most often with "normies".

And c'mon. Four keystrokes are harder than three? How silly.

 

[Faolyn]

It is OK to add characters from different origins but the mistake is when to promote a group other is desplaced or becomes the new outcast. Or at least we should avoid the old customers may feel like the new "little ugly duckling" or like the older brother who isn't any more the superstar of the home when the new baby has just born.

I don't like the tielflings being "promoted" while the noble-hearted aasimars have been relatively isolated or forgotten. They were showed like "I am a bad boy and I don't regret" when I would rather somebody more like Kurt Wagner/Nightcrawler(X-Men) "the face of a demon but the heart of an angel".

Miss Marvel/Kamala Khan was created to be a "positive token".

...in a cameo in Captain Marvel #14, in 2013, by, among others, Sana Amanat, an editor at Marvel and a woman of Pakastani descent. Her first solo comic, Ms. Marvel (2014) was written by a woman who converted to Islam.

So no. You're wrong. She wasn't created to be a "positive token." She was created to be a representation.

Nobody can guess when I remember she is from Pakistan and (disclaimer, possible controversial comment)the great rage I feel after reading in the web of Fides agency the horrible news about the native Christians who live in Pakistan. Does familiar the name Asia Bibi? you don't know what she suffered and at least she can tell it but others weren't so lucky. Sorry, I feel unconfortable because when somebody tries to clean the image of a group their possible dirty secrets are hidden. It sounds like two tiers. I don't blame Disney too much if they didn't know what happens in Pakistan but I know it and I don't like it.

Name any demographic of any sort. Religion, sexuality, age, country of origin, skin color, heck, probably even favorite pizza topping. Multiple someones in that demographic have done terrible things to other people in the name of that demographic.

By your logic, we can have no characters of any sort because someone in that group has done something bad to others outside that group.

 

[Scribe]

That's not actually true. I guess everyone here knows what you mean, but regular people do not.

Random shop, guy didnt know me from Adam, and he pitched it as 5.5.

This isnt even a hobby for 'real' normies, and certainly here, none of us are simply by virtue of being here!

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Why is calling it 5.5 even a problem to you?

I've explained. Calling it that is being obsessed with a 20+ year old marketing gimmick. I am over that.

Why is calling it 5.5 so important to you?

(Also: This is at least the fourth time I've had this discussion. It's old. I know that I won't change your mind. You won't get me to think 5.5 is a good name, so... we might as well quit.)

For the record: I am not concerned with "winning" anything. I just tried to answer your question of why I'm not on board with the 5.5 camp.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Random shop, guy didnt know me from Adam, and he pitched it as 5.5.

That's easily explained! Plenty of shop workers are exactly the kind of folk that hang out here and argue.

It says something about that fellow, but nothing about the edition. Nor even the shop. Certainly not shops in general. Just one guy, and folks like him. And you.

This isnt even a hobby for 'real' normies,

It is nowadays!

and certainly here, none of us are simply by virtue of being here!

Here, you are absolutely correct.

 

[Scribe]

Why is calling it 5.5 so important to you?

Its an effective short hand for online communication among people who understand the reference?

I mean I get it, I'm not in the business of forcing people to agree, and you are not going to, and I'm not going to, change, so hey it is what it is. I dont get it, but whatever.

I went outside, grabbed some breakfast. Its a gorgeous day, sun is shining, air is cool, and the mountains got hit with snow. A reminder I live in Heaven on Earth. So, you do you, and enjoy the rest of the weekend!

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm ready let's do this!

 

[Paul Farquhar]

probably even favorite pizza topping

Pineapple.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

At the risk of starting this up again, when it was so beautifully concluded (honestly, sorry everyone). I feel like asking:

For those that prefer to call the 2024 books "5.5" - what is wrong with, say, 5e24 (is it really just that one more keystroke!?).

Are you sure that you're not just stuck on a 20 year old marketing gimmick from 3.5? Or does it "make sense" to you only because you lived with it then, in some sort of formative years?

I mean, I guess I get how it works for an online community like this one, but I don't understand why some folks feel that it is an objectively better name than what WotC came up with.