Why Startrek is Dead (Opinion Thread)

[Villano]

General Ferengi I would assume, they were introduced in the first show or was it the second and as a foe a couple of times to Jean Luc. Rumor at the time was that they were to be the new foe, capitalist with no morals: everything for a price and do anything to open a market BUT this was changed (PCism?).

I think it had more to do with the fact that they simply weren't good villains. I don't think they started as capitalists, they were just angry midgets dressed in fur and using whips. Watching the Next Gen reruns on Spike, it's hard to believe how bad the series began. I can't watch any of the "ballet tights" episodes.

True, but I think it's the cynical attitude of people on the internet. Apparently, the only way people feel smart on the internet is to make something bad and saying, "I say this sucks, and I'm right because I'm smart," as opposed to saying what they DID like about the series.

There are some things that have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Watch Howling: New Moon Rising some time.

 

[mojo1701]

There are some things that have no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Watch Howling: New Moon Rising some time.

Perhaps so, but that is the exception to the rule.

 

[Ranger REG]

True, but I think it's the cynical attitude of people on the internet. Apparently, the only way people feel smart on the internet is to make something bad and saying, "I say this sucks, and I'm right because I'm smart," as opposed to saying what they DID like about the series.

Which series do you want to know what I like? I fully liked TNG and DS9.

VOY? Just the early seasons that Brannon Braga is NOT an executive producer. While they weren't impressive, they didn't suck either.

ENT? Only when Andorians are on. Although I am Fan of All Things Klingon, I personally did not want to see more of them in the Prequel series, certainly not on the series premiere episode, "Broken Bow."

Gee, I managed that in three short paragraphs.

 

[Alzrius]

I also thought that "Star Trek: Insurrection", while not what I had expected from a movie, worked very well when you look up it as a two-hour Next Generation episode.

Best description of the movie ever.

 

[Silver Moon]

An animated Trek series was aired during the early 70s, but I know little about it, and it's not considered to be canonical (for the most part) anyway.

It wasn't bad. The animation was far better than other Saturday morning cartoons of that time and almost all of the original cast did the voices. (They skipped Walter Koneig since they wanted to add a visually different alien to the bridge crew - but after he complained at conventions they made it up to him by having him write a script for an episode). I never could figure out Roddenberry's later comments about it being non-canonical - it's certainly better Trek than the fifth movie.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

General Ferengi I would assume, they were introduced in the first show or was it the second and as a foe a couple of times to Jean Luc. Rumor at the time was that they were to be the new foe, capitalist with no morals: everything for a price and do anything to open a market BUT this was changed (PCism?).

They were originally going to be the bad guys but came over so comically in that one ep that they became the future's "businessmen" instead. And they seemed to have garnered more "respect" as a result. I like Quark from DS9; he was a fun, greeeeedy Ferengi. But Ferengi to the core. This was our world's aspect of monetary greed thrown into Trek with a favorable result.

 

[Viking Bastard]

I never could figure out Roddenberry's later comments about it being non-canonical - it's certainly better Trek than the fifth movie.

Which he also didn't want canonized.

 

[Pants]

Watching the Next Gen reruns on Spike, it's hard to believe how bad the series began. I can't watch any of the "ballet tights" episodes.

I, personally, cannot watch the first two seasons of tNG. There were some good episodes, but I'd have to wade through many, many bad ones. tNG didn't really hit a good stride until Season 3.

DS9, on the other hand, started fairly strong IMO.

 

[myrdden]

Some think (I'll call them the Trek grognards) that TOS was the only real Trek and that everything after it sucked.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

The Diaglo sub-routine was strictly programmed with D&D in mind. Any mention of fads, hobbies, games or shows outside of D&D is purely speculative...

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Which series do you want to know what I like? I fully liked TNG and DS9.

As did I. TNG was already on when I started into Trek fandom a few years later... It was the main catalyst that got the whole Klingon fan base going hot.

VOY? Just the early seasons that Brannon Braga is NOT an executive producer. While they weren't impressive, they didn't suck either.

The early ones weren't that bad, IMO. Then they came up with the stupid cloning shuttles and any way they can get to get Doc off the ship....

ENT? Only when Andorians are on. Although I am Fan of All Things Klingon, I personally did not want to see more of them in the Prequel series, certainly not on the series premiere episode, "Broken Bow."

Gee, I managed that in three short paragraphs.

They shouldn't have put in races that weren't seen before TNG and DS9.... that was lameness on their part. The Klingon was stretching it as we weren't going to meet the Klingons that early and certainly NOT on Earth....