D&D General Why the resistance to D&D being a game?

[CreamCloud0]

None of the reasons posited why it wouldn't always work as described matter to you?

not especially, i mean, that's the point of the wisdom check is it not, how good were you at getting yourself under the guard's skin that it overrides their training and dicipline, is the bandit more angry at you in that moment than they're scared of their boss-i know i've made decisions that i quickly realise i shouldn't of, does the automaton identify you as a threat that needs to be dealt with immediately, to the mindless zombie you're still a big target making lots of noise and waving your arms.

 

[Vaalingrade]

That's not a real problem, though. "This ability only works against creatures who understand your language and are not mindless".

Or, if we were allowed to use keywording [which is another thing called too gamey], we could say this was a Language Dependent, Mind-affecting ability.

 

[pemerton]

Doesn't 5e D&D have a Goading Attack manoeuvre? Is it magical/supernatural?

 

[Bill Zebub]

Not really. It shows that designing rules properly is not that easy and there are a lot of situations and interactions you have to take into account.

Only if you want the rules to handle all the edge cases, instead of leaving it to the GM.

One of the things I'm loving about Shadowdark is exactly for this reason. Conditions (paralyzed, etc.) aren't even defined.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Doesn't 5e D&D have a Goading Attack manoeuvre? Is it magical/supernatural?

It does, but it merely causes the target to have a disadvantage on attacks against targets other than the goader. It doesn’t actually dictate how the affected creature has to behave.

 

[Oofta]

Doesn't 5e D&D have a Goading Attack manoeuvre? Is it magical/supernatural?

Goading attack doesn't force them to attack the PC, it's disadvantage to attack others after you just hit them. Then again, I'm not a big fan of battlemaster.

If have no problem with a lot of classes and subclasses having supernatural abilities. I just want the option to play one that doesn't or that tries to pretend a magic spell isn't a magic spell. My paladin casting Compelled Duel is fine because it's a spell.

 

[Oofta]

not especially, i mean, that's the point of the wisdom check is it not, how good were you at getting yourself under the guard's skin that it overrides their training and dicipline, is the bandit more angry at you in that moment than they're scared of their boss-i know i've made decisions that i quickly realise i shouldn't of, does the automaton identify you as a threat that needs to be dealt with immediately, to the mindless zombie you're still a big target making lots of noise and waving your arms.

If you can get under someone's skin by insulting them then you don't need a special ability.

 

[Azzy]

Not really. It shows that designing rules properly is not that easy and there are a lot of situations and interactions you have to take into account.

At a certain point, you have to acknowledge that you can't account for every edge case and just exhale and let it go.

 

[Vaalingrade]

The argument about taunts to me proves that the 'gamey' argument is often a failure of identification.

People aren't actually mad about the gamist element, they're mad about the narrativist element where the player gets to say the enemies target them.

 

[Vaalingrade]

At a certain point, you have to acknowledge that you can't account for every edge case and just exhale and let it go.

Or that the example was made up on the spot to illustrate a point, not to be an actual mechanic.