Why we love D&D but hate d20

dead said:
But that's the point. d20 fails as a "generic" system because you have to change it so much to get it to work (specifically science fiction).
I'd rather you change the rules to suit the game or setting, not the other way around. For example, you don't build Star Trek from the ground up around the Hero System. You should build the Hero System around the well-established Star Trek universe and lore.

A generic system should be flexible, IMNSHO, not rigid.
 

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I put up with D&D for the sake of my DM's campaign world, but I actually like d20 Star Wars and Spycraft. I wouldn't like to use d20 for a realistic mediaeval game, or for Cthulhu Dark Ages. There's a major split between settings that will and won't work in d20, but mediaeval fantasy isn't it.
 

Joshua Dyal said:
If, over the course of the campaign, everyone is the protagonist equally, then it doesn't add much value, I believe, to even bother labelling anyone as the protagonist, or worrying about who the protagonist is.

Like I said, there are some clear parallels to fiction writing. But there are a number of things that are different. Pacing isn't always the same, for instance. Side treks, asides, all kinds of wierd things that would make for a horrible novel-writing actually make for great RPG sessions.

Like barsoomcore, I think it's great to understand some literary theory, but at the end of the day, something like an RPG is much more visceral and instinctive than rule-oriented and categorizable. I know what makes a good session for me from experience and trial-and-error of many years, not from narrative theory of any kind. While I can use some narrative theory to enhance my GMing, some of the things you specifically mention rub against the grain of my experience, and I trust my experience more.

Then again, it's entirely possible, and I suspect from reading Bendris' more recent posts, that are differences are more about terminology and semantics rather than truly substantial in terms of style, but that's hard to tell in this kind of medium. ;)


Now we agree!
 

Heretic Apostate said:
You laugh, but I really am looking forward to someone producing a merge of d20 and GURPS (and maybe Alternity?). I think that would be something cool.

Of course, I haven't the gumption to give it a shot, myself. :)

Give Steve Jackson a nudge and see if he agrees with you.
 

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