Why won't you switch?

[solkanar33]

I don't think I will switch.

First of all, in my core 3.5 campaign there is a bard, a druid and a sorcerer. Base classes in 3e but now severly degraded to splat book level. I'm honestly very disappointed that WOTC obliterated almost half (5 out of 11) their base classes from their core 4E game. Sure they'll be in splatbooks somewhere down the road but that's of no use to me or my group now. When I used to decide to buy a splatbook it was because I liked it and never because I needed it for my group. That's a big difference I absolutely dislike. I don't care about new 'cool' base classes or races I didn't ask for. If I can't convert half my group, I won't switch!

Second I'm not convinced that 4e will be a better system than 3.5.
I know, not a lot is known at this point, but I remember that when they released 3.0, I was convinced from the very start that it was going to be an much better system than 2e. Flawed in lots of ways, but a vast improvement nonetheless. Now 3.5 has its issues but its not a bad or obsolete system.

I really wanted 4E to work, really. But company greed and ambiguous design severely threaten its viability for me to have fun with it.

 

[rgard]

I won't switch so that I can become the 3e Diaglo and haunt all future D&D gamers for the rest of my natural life in humorous yet biting condemnations of their insignificant derivative editions.

Actually beat you to the punch on that one. My sig has had that sentiment for maybe a year now.

 

[Ulrick]

Why I won't switch?

1. I already have all 3.5 Editions. If the system ain't perfect after all these years, it ain't worth investing in another edition.

2. A lot of what they are doing I've already implemented in my own games, years ago.

3. I don't like the fact that I might have to be online just to play the game.

4. I don't like the WoW feel of the game.

3. I'm still trying to figure out what that thing is on the front of the new Player's Handbook is. Dragon Born???

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/217367200

 

[The Little Raven]

3. I don't like the fact that I might have to be online just to play the game.

Let's put it in big, bold letters so it's clear, since so many anti-4e people seem to run on old rumors that have been thoroughly debunked multiple times since the announcement.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE D&D INSIDER OR ANY KIND OF ONLINE SERVICE TO PLAY 4TH EDITION. ALL YOU NEED ARE THE THREE CORE BOOKS, DICE, PENCILS, PAPER, FRIENDS, AND A BRAIN. ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS EITHER IGNORANT OF THE FACTS, OR A LIAR.

 

[an_idol_mind]

The two big things that keep me from being excited about 4th edition right now are:

-Focus on tactical combat. I hate using a battle grid. While 3rd edition works fine without using minis, the previews from 4th edition suggest to me that working without a grid will be fairly difficult.

-Staggered release of the core. I have certain things I want in a D&D game, and I don't want to buy 10 different books to get it. While I can work around not having the druid in the Player's Handbook or missing the frost giant from the Monster Manual, it seems that significant chunks of the game will be put in later supplements. In return, there's stuff like the dragonborn and warlords, concepts which I'm not terribly excited about.

I have no doubt that 4th edition will be a great game for what it is, but the previews so far have suggested that what it is does not mesh with what I want out of the game.

 

[Waylander the Slayer]

I am on the fence and was very excited when i got a first glance today at the rules and character sheet. Then I looked at the details and the mechanics a bit; the game is too gamist (personal opinion, not an argument or anything else) for ME. Also, reading over the Rouse/Collins interview about the multiclassing rules as well as the GSL ("core classes not in the first three books etc.") has moved me towards not changing to 4.E. I'll make a fully informed decision once I borrow someone's books.

 

[Greylock]

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE D&D INSIDER OR ANY KIND OF ONLINE SERVICE TO PLAY 4TH EDITION. ALL YOU NEED ARE THE THREE CORE BOOKS, DICE, PENCILS, PAPER, FRIENDS, AND A BRAIN. ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE IS EITHER IGNORANT OF THE FACTS, OR A LIAR.

As long as this guy is posting here, is it OK for the "haterz" to go to the "luverz" threads and crap all over everyone?

 

[The Little Raven]

As long as this guy is posting here, is it OK for the "haterz" to go to the "luverz" threads and crap all over everyone?

So, I'm a "hater" or "luver" because I point out that people keep using false information to make their decisions? So, it's better for people to just continue with their misinformation, which can be cleared up with a few minutes of looking at the 4e Info Page on this very site? Am I violating your right to be ignorant or to support points that have no factual basis (with plenty of facts debunking it)?

Well, seeing as you're pretty vehemently anti-4e, I can see why you'd want people to be ignorant of the real facts, if it means more support for your "side."

 

[Wormwood]

As long as this guy is posting here, is it OK for the "haterz" to go to the "luverz" threads and crap all over everyone?

The caps and the bold were over the top, granted.

But the facts remain.

edit: Yikes---this got ugly quick. I am outta here!

 

[Greylock]

Am I violating your right to be ignorant or to support points that have no factual basis (with plenty of facts debunking it)?

Well, seeing as you're pretty vehemently anti-4e, I can see why you'd want people to be ignorant of the real facts, if it means more support for your "side."

I can also see that you are a complete... Oops. That would be a banning offense.

You can see right through me, oh master of psychological deduction. I am here to ruin the D&D Experience for the entire world by perpetuating my "ignorance".