Willow (buffy) vs. A lvl 20 caster, who would win?

[Zack2216]

who would win, a 20th level wizard/sorceror or Willow from Buffy?

 

[Crothian]

I saw Willow assuming it's the pissed off Willow we say end of sixth season. It would have to be a battle with no magical aids, just spell power. I don't know of a Wizard who can survive a flaying.

 

[MythandLore]

I don't know of a Wizard who can survive a flaying.

I don't think a Willow can survive a Power Word Kill or Meteor Swarm probably not even Finger of Death.

 

[DM_Matt]

Who ever wins initiative perhaps...?

After absorbing Giles' power, though, she seemed to believe that she was the most powerful human spellcaster ever...If that is to be taken at face value, then at that point, yes, she was unstoppable.

However, regular Willow (as opposed to Dark Willow), would prolly be in the high teens level-wise anyway.

 

[Crothian]

I don't think a Willow can survive a Power Word Kill or Meteor Swarm probably not even Finger of Death.

So, we are down to initiative.

Actually, it's really hard to judge becasue it's really impossible to know Willows ful potential, and a 20th level wizard can havea lot of variety. Plus each magic system is totally different.

 

[MythandLore]

After absorbing Giles' power, though, she seemed to believe that she was the most powerful human spellcaster ever...If that is to be taken at face value, then at that point, yes, she was unstoppable.

She seemed to believe alot on the show...
In fact when see took on Glory the year before by herself see seemed pretty sure see could kill her...
And see didn't...
But then again...
It is a show...
And a 20th level wizard is in no way the most powerful in dnd, and it's pretty clear she was not so powerful that 20th level one couldn't kill her.
And like Corinth said...

Plus each magic system is totally different.

Another thing is all her magic is stolen for the most part, from books, from other people, etc.
It was all wacky, they just wanted Willow to be a 'villan' but not die.
Like the rest of last season is didn't make much sense.
I'm still asking why a guy that makes jet pacts and buffy bots and freeze rays wasn't smart enough to get an assault rifle with grenades instead of a crap a-- pistol to take out buffy and all her buds and make sure he finished the job, even a shotgun and tnt would have been cooler.
The writing on that show sucked pretty bad last season, it's too bad it too, it was one of the best things on tv for awhile, I guess they ran out of ideas.
Ooo, what if he built a robot suit to kill buffy and burned her house down with a flame thrower, now that would have been cool.

 

[DM_Matt]

Another thing is all her magic is stolen for the most part, from books, from other people, etc.

Well, not entirely. I think that taking power from books is part of the normal flow of the magic system in the Buffyverse. It seems that the weaker spells (relative to the power of the caster) can be done by simple words and gestures, or even force of will, the more powerful ones require components and/or rituals, and the most powerful need to come from books. Remember, DND wizards get all their spells that way.

And as far as the spell stealing, it would depend how it worked converted. It very well may involve actually stealing XP (tohugh not necessarily converting at a 1-to-1 ratio, or it could just be like the mind feeder Psi weapon.

 

[Umbran]

I'm still asking why a guy that makes jet pacts and buffy bots and freeze rays wasn't smart enough to get an assault rifle with grenades instead of a crap a-- pistol to take out buffy and all her buds and make sure he finished the job, even a shotgun and tnt would have been cooler.

There are lots of good explanations, the best of which is really in-character for Warren: There's more than one kind of smarts. Intelligence != Wisdom. Having the intelligence to create great feats of engineering doesn't mean you have the common sense to put together the best plan.

I mean, cripes - if he was such a genius, why in the world was he operating in the one town that had a Slayer? A really smart villain would get the heck out of Dodge, and live happily and comfortably Slayer-free. So much for Warren's "intelligence", huh?

 

[Staffan]

Well, not entirely. I think that taking power from books is part of the normal flow of the magic system in the Buffyverse. It seems that the weaker spells (relative to the power of the caster) can be done by simple words and gestures, or even force of will, the more powerful ones require components and/or rituals, and the most powerful need to come from books.

I do think that the finale is the first time we've seen anyone literally suck the power out of the books though. Before, books have always been used as manuals - they have instructions, but no real power in themselves. Spellbooks, not scrolls, to use a D&D analogue.

 

[Doc_Subtlety]

I do think that the finale is the first time we've seen anyone literally suck the power out of the books though.

Well, the Moloch thing was sorta similar - he was stored in a book, and later sucked out via a scanner.

So it's within Buffyverse logic for a book to hold bad mojo like a battery.