D&D General Wizards are not rational/scientists

[Bolares]

So, a while back I re-read Dragons of Autumn Twilight, just to see how it held up. And it came across to me that while they are not nice to him, that's because he has been walking around haughty, disdainful, and rejecting their overtures of connection for years before the actions in the novels begin. Raistlin is filled with self-loathing, and he projects that outwards, to predictable results.

Raistlin is, in the end, a sullen teenager turned up to 11. Teens will identify with Raistlin's stance. However, in an adult, this is toxic behavior. Raistlin's treatment of Caramon is outright emotional abuse. We cannot excuse that by, "Sturm's kind of a dick to me." If you are a passive-aggressive, self-centered abuser, other adults will, and should, treat you badly.

I'm not excusing Raistlin. Raistlin is an dick. But He was wrote to be an dick. Sturm on the other hand was supposed to be an honorable knight, but is just as much of an dick, being judgemental every other page.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I hate that gif so much. That guy is my best friend lol so every time I see it, I wanna fight someone.

I should say, I'm 99% sure it is him, but the low quality and scrunched up face, combined with the fact that it would be awkward as hell to ask him, mean I can't push that quite to 100%.

But also, I just don't like stuff like that. It's not a sense of humor that I enjoy at all.

 

[Mannahnin]

I tried re-reading the trilogy again, and wow, the writing was so bad I couldn't.

Either it got worse, or I got better.

(Not joking- I just ... eh, look, there's nothing wrong with serviceable fantasy ... after all, I somehow managed to read several of Gygax's Gord novels back in the day... and the DL novels are practically Booker Prize winners comparatively . But some times you learn that things from the past are best left there. IMO, etc. Everyone has different taste.)

Yup. I find Gary's first few Gord books still readable, with fun details for the Greyhawk enthusiast, though the prose is... amateurish at best. Dragons of Autumn Twilight I can't even manage a chapter as an adult. The dialogue and prose are just so bad.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I tried re-reading the trilogy again, and wow, the writing was so bad I couldn't.

Either it got worse, or I got better.

(Not joking- I just ... eh, look, there's nothing wrong with serviceable fantasy ... after all, I somehow managed to read several of Gygax's Gord novels back in the day... and the DL novels are practically Booker Prize winners comparatively . But some times you learn that things from the past are best left there. IMO, etc. Everyone has different taste.)

Sure. Even Margeret Weis wants to rewrite the Chronicles. I read somewhere she has most of a draft written, in basically a "how I'd have done if I'd been a goop writer back then" rewrite.

 

[Blue Orange]

Sure. Even Margeret Weis wants to rewrite the Chronicles. I read somewhere she has most of a draft written, in basically a "how I'd have done if I'd been a goop writer back then" rewrite.

Is she legally prohibited from doing so? It seems like it would be kind of fun to read, I think people would enjoy it, and it would be an interesting document of the creative process.

 

[Mannahnin]

Is she legally prohibited from doing so? It seems like it would be kind of fun to read, I think people would enjoy it, and it would be an interesting document of the creative process.

She might be; I believe those were done Work for Hire for TSR, and there may be some publishing precedent that re-writing a book like this is a challenge to copyright. Might also impact sales. :/

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Is she legally prohibited from doing so? It seems like it would be kind of fun to read, I think people would enjoy it, and it would be an interesting document of the creative process.

pretty sure she can't publish anything DL without wotc's permission.

 

[Eric V]

I think part of the problem is if wizards are scientists all worlds are destined to become eberron but that would be undesirable so wizards should have another component to it.

Agreed! I just wish this other component was reflected in the rules system.

 

[Maxperson]

I tried re-reading the trilogy again, and wow, the writing was so bad I couldn't.

Either it got worse, or I got better.

(Not joking- I just ... eh, look, there's nothing wrong with serviceable fantasy ... after all, I somehow managed to read several of Gygax's Gord novels back in the day... and the DL novels are practically Booker Prize winners comparatively . But some times you learn that things from the past are best left there. IMO, etc. Everyone has different taste.)

I had this issue with Dragonlance and a few other older books. I think we've grown up and experienced better writing, so it's hard to go back.

 

[Maxperson]

I'm not excusing Raistlin. Raistlin is an dick. But He was wrote to be an dick. Sturm on the other hand was supposed to be an honorable knight, but is just as much of an dick, being judgemental every other page.

Even honorable knights are human. Abuse someone long enough and they get sick of it and snap back.