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Kershek said:
Er, how else would you view that sentence other than freely meaning "without cost"? What other benefit could it provide?

its size :)
IMO, If a magic item becomes a necessity to bypass some balance mechanism, then there are chances that the mechanism is heavy handed and the item broken.

[house rule]
We use reduced scribing costs IMC, but the blessed book is just for storage.
[/house rule]

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Where does it say you can't put more than 100 pages in a spellbook?

A 100-page spellbook weighs 3 pounds. I'm sure you could make one that had more pages, but it would weigh proportionately more.

Unless you had a magic one. For, say, 9000gp.

-Hyp.
 

You could get a Handy Haversack for 2k and store the books - amount of spellbooks, weight, etc. is not an issue. This does not justify the 9,500 gp cost.
 

This does not justify the 9,500 gp cost.

Neither does scribing for free!

If I proposed an item : Quaal's Feather Token, Diamonds - when activated, this token produces 4d10 + 40 diamonds, each worth 1000gp - with a market price of 9500gp... would that look balanced?

-Hyp.
 

No, it wouldn't. So, by your own admission, both of our answers make no sense.

I guess I'll be waiting for 3.5e to fix this one.
 

So, by your own admission, both of our answers make no sense.

Ha. You're putting words in my mouth. An overpriced item is not unbalanced - it's just not as desirable. A very, very underpriced item, on the other hand, actually unbalances the game.

The Book came out before the flashy spellbook extras from MaoF. It was the only Core spellbook that's waterproof.

You can hide your BBB in a Glove of Storing. Can't do that with a Library.

It's stylish, like having a palm-sized mobile phone when everyone else is lugging bricks.

Sure, none of that is all that exciting. You're splashing out. You don't need it... but if you have it, you prize it... like you don't need a sports car, but you take a lot of pride in having one.

Whereas ignoring scribing costs, on the other hand, makes it something no sane mid-high level wizard would be without. It's not "highly prized", it's standard issue. It comes with the pointy hat and the starry robe as part of the uniform. For 9k, you don't think twice about it.

I guess I'll be waiting for 3.5e to fix this one.

They're changing scribing in 3.5, so anything could happen.

-Hyp.
 

My DM had some custom feats, I think he found several of them on EN world. One was called "Archane Understanding" and it allowed a wizard to learn there INT modifer in spells each level instead of the standard 2. My wizard had and INT 18, so I got 4 spells per level instead of 2, but I had to burn a feat to do so. I think that was a really good way to balace out the benefit.
 

Hypersmurf said:
Neither does scribing for free!

If I proposed an item : Quaal's Feather Token, Diamonds - when activated, this token produces 4d10 + 40 diamonds, each worth 1000gp - with a market price of 9500gp... would that look balanced?

No, but that would not be the same as the BBB. The BBB, once spells are scribed in it, only has value for the wizard who owns it. For anyone else, they have to get their own BBB or pay the scribing cost to get any benefit out of the spells placed in it. The diamonds are valuable to anyone.
 

Storm Raven said:
No, but that would not be the same as the BBB. The BBB, once spells are scribed in it, only has value for the wizard who owns it. For anyone else, they have to get their own BBB or pay the scribing cost to get any benefit out of the spells placed in it. The diamonds are valuable to anyone.
That argument makes absolutely no sense.
What if the token turned into a +5 magic weapon, usable only by the token's creator? And it still had the same base price as the BBB? It's true that you can't sell the sword for cash, but you still get benefit from it. You're paying 9500 gp for a benefit worth many thousands more. It's still obviously unbalancing.
 

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