Wizards of the Coast LAYOFFS

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Hehe so it's unreasonable to apply general business practices to one company. I assure you that business analysts, consultants, and investors do this all the time. I was simply speculating on what I feel the hasbro executive in charge of the WotC division would do based on some not unreasonable conjectures.

Most of the points I was making could be applied to newspapers or automotive parts etc.

When I mention losses on the sales of the core books I don't neccesarily mean the company is losing money but that the company is not meeting optimal sales and revenue figures.

Lets assume that over the course of the last year 1,000,000 Monster Manual were sold at $20 each. Assuming that most game stores are marking up the MM 100% of thier cost that means the distributor is likely selling them at $10. I don't know what the average distributor markup is but let's go conservative and say they get thier stock at $5- $7 dollars from WotC. That means that WotC has revenues of $5,000,000 - $7,000,000 on the MM ( the numbers are likely higher but that really doesn't matter). Let's assume that the cost of production, printing distribution eats up a good chunk of money from that. Pretty reasonable IMHO. If you compare that to what the revenues would be at $35 (which Ryan assures us the market would bear) you go to $17.50 cost for retailers, and between $8.75 and $12.25 for ditributors. Suddenly you sales projections go from 5-7 million to 8-12 million. The fact of the matter is that many executives might use Ryan's statements about what the market will bear to make projections and if the real numbers are much less than those projections assume that the core books are operating at a loss even if they really aren't.

In essence it gets down to perceptions rather than reality. In reality WotC might be doing very well financially but if the perception of Hasbro and the shareholders is that they are underperforming profits etc mean very little. So before you assume that people don't know what they are talking about try to think what you might do if you are a Hasbro/WotC executive.
 

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I'm sorry I came off so cross. I have had a few bad layoffs in my time. I just feel bad for those souls and I also feel bad that you must fear for each day that your job might go away and have "back up" plans. So I should stay on topic.

D&D. I hope it survives and that the recent increase in proofreading doesn't get worse again! ;)
 



Caliban said:
Can 4e be far away?

actually, this is probably the most observant quote on this thread. the fact is, WotC may have designed themselves out of the RPG business. not until a 4e will they probably ever be as big.

some other observations...the RPG industry is a hobby industry - thus very sensitive to the state of the overall economy. when there is a downturn in the overall economy, expect luxury items such as these to be the first to suffer. however, whether you believe it or not - the numbers are showing a recovery going on as we speak. try telling that to those who lost their jobs i know, but that is what i believe economists are forecasting.

another observation - what is there for WotC to do, really? what crucial product can only they produce that say an AEG, FFG, Green Ronin or S&S couldn't? as Caliban said, the open license may have led the way to this day.

one would hope that if those people who are being let go would like to continue in the RPG industry, some of the smaller D20 companies could pick them up. but really, if one thinks that they are going to become rich (or even economically stable) by writing RPG products or supplements, i think that that is very wishful thinking. it's such a volatile business -- even for WotC.

i feel awful for those being let go - especially those with families who will now be uprooted. but this kind of stuff goes on every day in this country, it's the way of things. up-down-up-down the cycle goes. did you feel bad on the way to work the other day when the newsman said "(X) company is letting 10,000 workers go this week"? chances are you did what i did. you said "damn, that sucks", and then promptly went about your business for the day - soon forgetting which company and how many workers.

it's bad for these WotC people that they live in a country where there is so much economic risk. conversely, it's a blessing that these people live in a country with so much economic opportunity.
 

green slime said:
My condolances to those who have lost or are about to loose their jobs.

I could give a rat's rear end for the survival/non-existance of the game.

Human values first. It's just a frikking game, guys.

If there's no game, then, there's no jobs for game developers. Pretty basic, really.

If you hired ten people to work the PR department when Pokemon was at its' height, and now, there's barely enough work for one, you're pouring money down a drain keeping the other 9 on staff. Money that could be used to fund new product development, or saved to keep the company afloat during another downturn, is instead being paid to people who have no work to do. Keep this up, and, sooner or later, you have no company at all, and everyone gets fired.
 

Axiomatic Unicorn said:


Hey. Ya know what, It is normal.

If you want to say "Screw You" to me, that is your problem.

EVIL? Not even close. The right of people to engage in VOLUNTARY business relationships is fundamental to a free society. But it has to be completely voluntary, from both sides. If either side feels it is no longer advantageous to continue the relationship, they should be allowed to end it. Trying to dehumanize the employers by calling them "Corporate" (and even EVIL) does not change the truth that they are human beings as well, with just as many rights as anyone else.

It is a terrible thing that people are losing their jobs, but attacking other people and implying that they don't have the same right to engage in free relationships is not the solution.

I'm sorry you don't agree with me. Very few people who truly accept capitalism would. I don't want to turn this into a flame war. So I will just leave it with "I feel sympathy for those involved."
 

JLXC said:


I'm sorry you don't agree with me. Very few people who truly accept capitalism would. I don't want to turn this into a flame war. So I will just leave it with "I feel sympathy for those involved."

No problem.
I'll point out that my post came up within 1 minute of your later post, so I had not yet read it.

I do support capitalism because it is the only naturally occuring economic system. All the others had to be invented and based on some persons judgement calls.

That said, I will delete my prior post. You can leave it quoted in yours or delete it as well, as you wish.

Everyone owns themself.
 

Actually I would anticipate a 4e within the next 2-3 years simply because the most money can be made off of core rule books and core supplemental sourcebooks. People might hate thier tendency of having very short product cycles but Games Workshop has an excellent business module in coming out with a new edition of thier core products every 3-4 years with auxiliary games supported for 18-24 month cycles. Sure its hard on the fans who get heavily invested and have to move to a newer edition but it makes great business sense, because it requires newer and older gamers to reinvest on periodic basis and can serve as a stable source of revenue.
 

I asked Anthony Valterra for a comment on this. He responded that he was unable to do any more than pass my email to PR.

Guess the old days really are over. ;)
 
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