Worst Race?

[Saitou]

Though halfings and tieflings get a mention for horrible fluff but good mechanics. with the exception the halfings cannot use a staff.

They can, they just can't make a melee attack with it.

 

[dasheiff]

In addition to rocking out the warlock class, you forgot paladin! Paladins don't need STR anymore, you can have all CHA based powers with a nice big CON score for extra healing surges and HP (right up the paladin's alley). You can take the dilettante power from the warlock class list (eyebite). You can even multiclass warlock all the way up with the paladin warlock dabbler.

So yes, 1/2 elves only rock 2 classes (paladin/warlock) and are passable at a third (warlord), just like pretty much all the other races.

Worst race= eladrin. Int AND Dex? crap. Both provide the same bonuses to REF and AC, and no class really excels with having both of them high (wand wizard being small exception).

Sadly, a Paladin that weilds two shields can't be done, since many of the chr still need a weapon. (Could a shield be a poor, but count as, a weapon?)

Totallly agreee about the Eladrin. Int AND Dex is one of the three pointless combinations. Ironicly, Wis and Chr actually work with the Chr based Paladin. Int and Dex is now only useful for the now suboptional Intelligence based Rogue.

 

[dasheiff]

finally the group +1 Diplomate thing is stupid and needs to go period.

That's only if your group doesn't use skill challenges. Since skill challenges force skill rolls it's nice to have the boost.

 

[rkanodia]

The group diplomacy thing may be somewhat useful, but it seems like exactly the kind of fiddly little bonus that WotC was supposedly eliminating. Just eliminate the half-elf's own diplomacy bonus. Increase Group Diplomacy to +2 if you have to. Or eliminate Group Diplomacy outright. Having two bonuses to the same skill, but in different forms, is just more junk than you need.

 

[doctorhook]

I voted eldarin, because, AFAIK, they aren't even in the Player's Handbook.

Eladrin, on the other hand....

 

[doctorhook]

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Totallly agreee about the Eladrin. Int AND Dex is one of the three pointless combinations. Ironicly, Wis and Chr actually work with the Chr based Paladin. Int and Dex is now only useful for the now suboptional Intelligence based Rogue.

It sounds like the Intelligence/Dexterity combo for being an eladrin works nicely with one of the Wizard builds. Time will tell, once we get our Player's Handbooks.

 

[Irda Ranger]

I'm a bit surprised by two of the results:

1. Half-elves beating Tieflings. Tieflings look obviously weaker to me.

2. Haflings getting as many votes as they are. Their luck power is probably the best racial power in the game, easy, with the only possible exception of Elven Accuracy.

 

[Kitirat]

I'm a bit surprised by two of the results:

1. Half-elves beating Tieflings. Tieflings look obviously weaker to me.

2. Haflings getting as many votes as they are. Their luck power is probably the best racial power in the game, easy, with the only possible exception of Elven Accuracy.

I ran a 11 encounter, 20 hour game a week or two ago (over two days). The halfling used their reroll ability in every combat encounter and 6 of the time turned a critical into a miss. 2 of the other times he turned a hit into a miss.

It is an AWESOME ability. Just awesome. By itself, the halfling is strong, but add the +2 to AC when next to 2 medium+sized opponents feat and you have one hell of a race.

 

[Ahglock]

It sounds like the Intelligence/Dexterity combo for being an eladrin works nicely with one of the Wizard builds. Time will tell, once we get our Player's Handbooks.

Since it seems many feats have stat pre-reqs I'd be wary of discounting any attribute bonus.

 

[Nifft]

The other races seem pretty good so far save for the tielfling which seems slightly less powerful. HOWEVER, we are still at low levels in the testing and the higher level tiefling feats look great.

Tieflings make very good Warlocks (Fey or Star) and decent Wizards, Paladins or Warlords.

You have to make good use of his Hellfire Blood and Ferocious Rebuke feats.

Cheers, -- N