Worst Race?

[doctorhook]

Since it seems many feats have stat pre-reqs I'd be wary of discounting any attribute bonus.

I completely agree, Ahglock. It seems like a lot of folks want to jump on the "X stat sucks", IMO, prematurely.

 

[Kitirat]

I think discounting stats is an issue but con is the least useful for most feats. Str and Dex and Int are the big feat stats.

 

[Evilhalfling]

I hate half-elves for the same reason I hate half-orcs and half-dragons.

QFT
I think half elf suckage is a feature not a flaw.

 

[rkanodia]

I think tieflings are terrible too - Ferocious Rebuke is not nearly good enough to justify its pain-in-the-ass trigger mechanism - but somehow, half-elves just make me mad, because Dilettante seems like it should be an awesome ability when you first read it. Then you try to build a character, and it turns out that the best you can do is 'decent', and even then, only if you try really hard.

The Fire Resist on tieflings is interesting, but who knows how often it will come up. Though I suppose you could kind of force the issue by having a Tiefling Paladin in a group with a fire-heavy wizard

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

Wow, surprised at all the Tiefling hate. They seem like a decent race to me.

Ferocious Rebuke is not nearly good enough to justify its pain-in-the-ass trigger mechanism

Ferocious Rebuke, maybe not. But Fiery Rebuke... yes please.

Anyway, on to the topic at hand:

Whether or not it's subpar (though I think it is), the half-elf is my least favorite of the races. It just leaves me wanting. The whole idea of converting an at-will power to an encounter power seems pretty pathetic to me. Maybe there are some combos I'm not aware of yet, but most at-will powers are pretty marginal in terms of usefulness... just let half-elves pick an at-will from another class and use it at-will.

I think I might let half-elf characters choose their heritage. I'll be replacing the "at-will as an encounter power" and let half-elves choose either the Elf's or Eladrin's encounter power.

 

[rkanodia]

Actually, I was just trying to talk about Infernal Wrath. Even without the trigger, though, I still think it's worse than Elven Accuracy. Maybe some Artful Dodgers and Warlocks will find Infernal Wrath to be better, but I doubt it.

Fiery Rebuke is decent, I will give you that.

 

[Bold or Stupid]

I've been thinking this for a while, and I think all the races are pretty good. I've eventually decided on Tieflings being the weakest and losing the race due to tail drag.

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

Actually, I was just trying to talk about Infernal Wrath. Even without the trigger, though, I still think it's worse than Elven Accuracy. Maybe some Artful Dodgers and Warlocks will find Infernal Wrath to be better, but I doubt it.

Fiery Rebuke is decent, I will give you that.

It's pretty conditional, I'll give you that. As for being worse than Elven Accuracy... isn't that a Daily power, and the Tiefling's an Encounter? If that's the case, I think the comparison is unfair. If not, then yes they're pretty uneven

I like Infernal Wrath for Paladins myself; they've got good armor, true, but they're supposed to soak damage. So it's less situational for them than, say, the Warlock or Rogue you mentioned.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

...Am I the first to vote for something for more then just mechanical reasons?

I went against tieflings. Sorry, I don't want an entire race of angsty loners who only trust their closest friends and have names like "Despair" or "Random." I think I spontaniously grew a trenchcoat and my hair flipped itself over one of my eyes while reading their section in the PRC.

 

[silentounce]

...Am I the first to vote for something for more then just mechanical reasons?

I went against tieflings. Sorry, I don't want an entire race of angsty loners who only trust their closest friends and have names like "Despair" or "Random." I think I spontaniously grew a trenchcoat and my hair flipped itself over one of my eyes while reading their section in the PRC.

I doubt it. That's one of the flaws of this poll. The question is too vague. Worst race mechanically? Worst race flavor wise? Etc.

Anyway, I'm not allowing Tieflings in my game for similar reasons to the ones you described. I'm not too fond of eladrin, either. Although I like a lot of the race options in the MM.