Worst series ending concepts

[Kahuna Burger]

Two series endings I really hated were Forever Knight and Blake 7. In both everyone dies. Now Blake 7 was always a grim so I can at least understand why the ending. But Forever Knight was all about Nick trying to become human. They showed it was possible with Janette earler in the season. But they ended it with Nick killing Natalie and then Nick asking Lacroix to kill him. Lame Lame Lame!

Heh, I discovered Forever Knight in reruns, and then I randomly caught that one. At the end I was just "What the hell was that?!?! Did they end the show that way? How lame can you get?!?!"

 

[Kahuna Burger]

As for me, I'll take immature and cartoony over sanctimonious and melodramatic any day of the week.

This is hardly a new debate, however. It's even mentioned in Wikipedia:

So we agree that its different strokes fo different folks. Excellent. And now that its in reruns, you are as like to see the ones you like as I am.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

I beg to differ.

When they broke from Earth, didn't the Minbari and Coalition of Neutral Worlds (or whatever
it was called) pay for it's upkeep? So it wasn't self-sufficient.

it was a while back, but I recal a bit where Ivanava met with a group of semi reputable smugglers to keep trade running and docking fees paid in spite of the earth embargo. The minbari were using B5, not keeping it around for charity.

The hazard of navigation was just an excuse.

indeed, but an excuse for who? I say for the audience.

It was obsolete. It was old, it was pointless

One of these things is not like the others.... maybe it was obsolete as well as old, but log cabins with woodstoves and non-flush toilets are pretty obsolete and yet people buy them all the time.

and Sheridan didn't want it in someone else's hands. He wanted it to go out with dignity because he loved the damn thing and because he knew he was dying this was his last chance to 'save' it.

er, I didn't get the impression that sheridan had anything to do with the decision. I thought he was informed of the station's impending destruction when he came to be "where it began".

I'm sure it possible to justify it if you want to do that sort of work for JMS, but I can't say its worth it to me. *shrug*

 

[WayneLigon]

Exactly. In Gene Rodenberry's Startrek religion for humans was a non-issue. We had our histories and some people had our beliefs but as a society we evolved beyond the need for faith in a higher power.

I seem to remember Picard making that point MANY times in the first few seasons of TNG.

Yet the orginal series had them, many times, refer to God or Jesus in ways that made me think that religon was still largely practiced in the Federation. I don't think they ever said they'd 'outgrown' religion. Maybe TNG had that, but by that time I think things were largely out of Roddenberry's control even while he was still alive.

 

[trancejeremy]

Actually, in Blake's 7, no one dies. It's all left as a mystery. Apparently because that way, if there was ever a movie or sequel series down the road, whoever wanted to come back could.

 

[Rackhir]

Actually, in Blake's 7, no one dies. It's all left as a mystery. Apparently because that way, if there was ever a movie or sequel series down the road, whoever wanted to come back could.

I've always maintained that the next scene after Avon being surrounded with the fade to black and the blaster fire, was him standing there with one of those "Avon Grins" and a circle of dead guards. I loved the end of Blakes 7.

There was a sequel novel writen called "Afterlife" that keeps the only two characters I ever cared about, Avon and Vila. One of the things I liked the best about Blake's 7 was that not only is it one of the few series where the heroes don't win all the time, but in fact they loose consistantly.

 

[Particle_Man]

I remember explaining to a friend that by the end of earth final conflict that none of the original characters were left and with one exception none of the characters that replaced the original characters were left. All the characters were "3rd generation" or later.

What about Sandoval (the Cool-Asian (thank you Mean Girls) villain)?. I thought he was there for the whole run.

 

[Dinkeldog]

Yet the orginal series had them, many times, refer to God or Jesus in ways that made me think that religon was still largely practiced in the Federation. I don't think they ever said they'd 'outgrown' religion. Maybe TNG had that, but by that time I think things were largely out of Roddenberry's control even while he was still alive.

Just as a little note, this topic would be inappropriate for discussion here.

I know sometimes it may feel like the no religion rule may be applied too broadly, but there are definitely huge swaths of landscape that could lead to hard feelings at some point, and this is one of those.

 

[Storm Raven]

just to get back to this - the station was in orbit around a planet. (or at least tied to it somehow) the planet had had quite a bit of background plot use, and keeping an outpost near it probably wouldn't be a bad idea. additionally, what with the big planet sized object sitting right beside it, the excuse that it was a "navigation hazard" was particularly rediculous.

There is the possibility that the planet had become a destination in its own right, and landing on the planet had become the norm in that area. Given the nature of the station, that would make it a hazard for navigation.

also, since they spend one season independant from earth, I think its been demonstrated that outdated or not, the station could be self sufficient (especially when not embargoed.) There's someone out there that would buy it. (in what we laughingly call the real world, there's some dork living on an abandoned WWII outpost in the ocean and calling himself a country, so we know its possible.)

The station was paid for via the Babylon Treaty negotiated by Ivanova and Sheridan with the nonaligned worlds, and received significant support from the Minbari religious caste. I doubt those conditions would be replicated again.

Also, outdated or not, the thing has value even as scrap.

Scrap that has to be moved to have value. It might very well be more expensive to move the station (or parts of it) to a location where it can be salvaged than it could be to just destroy it.

So basicly, it wasn't a hazard to navigation, it wasn't useless, and it wasn't without value. Blowing it up was cheesy.

Basically: you are wrong, you are wrong, and you are wrong.

 

[Storm Raven]

One of these things is not like the others.... maybe it was obsolete as well as old, but log cabins with woodstoves and non-flush toilets are pretty obsolete and yet people buy them all the time.

Sure, but you rarely see military branches or governments investing in them, or keeping them around.