Worst series ending concepts

[Kahuna Burger]

Basically: you are wrong, you are wrong, and you are wrong.

nope, that would be "you disagree". A bit of a distinction that escapes many. You are making assumptions to support it as a reasonable ending, I am making some to support it being a cheesy excuse to tie up ill planned prophecies.

 

[Pielorinho]

Basically: you are wrong, you are wrong, and you are wrong.

I'm pretty sympathetic to your approach to storytelling: stories are innocent of plot cheese unless there's no plausible reason for having the plot develop in a certain way, in my opinion. A description of a plausible reason that the plot is cheesy isn't enough for a conviction.

However, the section I quoted above really doesn't strengthen your argument, and it serves only to heighten tensions on the board. Tensions that I'd really like to see dropping. Could I persuade you not to say things like that? Respect that your debating opponents have legitimate positions, even if you disagree strenuously with them. (If their positions are completely illegitimate, you have nothing to gain from discussing the matter with them, and should probably walk away immediately from the discussion.)

Thanks!
Daniel

 

[maggot]

Two series endings I really hated were Forever Knight and Blake 7. In both everyone dies. Now Blake 7 was always a grim so I can at least understand why the ending. But Forever Knight was all about Nick trying to become human. They showed it was possible with Janette earler in the season. But they ended it with Nick killing Natalie and then Nick asking Lacroix to kill him. Lame Lame Lame!

Different tastes, I suppose, because I loved the end of Forever Knight. He fails in his quest to become human and everyone dies. Bold and well done. Made me want to watch the series over again and again.

 

[Storm Raven]

nope, that would be "you disagree".

Actually, in at least one case, the storyline distinctly shows the contrary position to be wrong: at no point was the station self-supporting. The Babylon Treaty was required to keep it afloat, with the financial aid of the members of the League of Nonaligned Worlds and the Minbari. Since they were subsumed into the ISA, they would not be around as an independent entity to finance the station any more.

In addition, the idea that the station is not a navigational hazard directly contradicts the statments made in the series. In other words, it is wrong. The station is a navigational hazard, whether you think it should be or not. Given the nature of space travel in the show, it is obvious why the station would be a navigational hazard.

The only opinion based issue here is whether the station could have been used as scrap, and there are plenty of reasons to think it would not be viable for that.

A bit of a distinction that escapes many. You are making assumptions to support it as a reasonable ending, I am making some to support it being a cheesy excuse to tie up ill planned prophecies.

Only one thing required assumptions, and that was the most minor. The other two are based on the actual information given by the show, which flatly contradicts your assumptions.

 

[jasper]

Yeap instead one HUGE object being a hazard now we have BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of navigational hazards. I think it could been better by blowing it up into pieces and then you see the scrap ships move in and collect the pieces. of course B5 was never total consistent when came to newton's law. Remember the Teddy bear sticking to windshield scene.

 

[Silver Moon]

Xena, Warrior Princess: I mean, come on!!!!!! the woman takes on the greek god of war and constantly wipes her butt with him, yet she gets decapped by some samurai?

Have to agree with this one - having the main character get decapitated by a lame villain has to win as the worst finale.

 

[Storm Raven]

Yeap instead one HUGE object being a hazard now we have BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of navigational hazards.

B5 shipps appear not to have too much trouble with small pieces of debris. Running into space junk seems to not be much of a problem for anyone in B5.

I think it could been better by blowing it up into pieces and then you see the scrap ships move in and collect the pieces.

They might have. The shot wasn't on screen long enough to tell.

of course B5 was never total consistent when came to newton's law. Remember the Teddy bear sticking to windshield scene.

Physics take a backseat to plot. That's the way it should be.

 

[DreadPirateMurphy]

You have to take the word of whatever was actually broadcast on a show like B5. The commentary on the destruction of the station came from Zack Allen, who, as the security chief, should know enough about it to not be full of BS.

I have no idea WHY it was a hazard to navigation. I also have only the vaguest idea of how ships in the B5 universe navigate in general. We can guess, but we only know that the laws of physics seem similar, and stellar and interstellar travel are possible.

It makes sense that it was expensive to run B5. It also makes sense that you wouldn't just abandon a station like that for somebody else to take over. It would be hard to move without Vorlon-level technology. If we take as fact that it was also a hazard, than blowing it into bits for salvage or re-entry makes sense.

Heck, the happy ending for the station is that it survived to be decommissioned. It was the first in the series of Babylon stations to make it that far.

 

[DreadPirateMurphy]

Oh, and Enterprise is the only series ending I've seen that actually was an episode of another series...giving it the award for worst in my book. It was a mediocre episode, at that.

 

[Viking Bastard]

it was a while back, but I recal a bit where Ivanava met with a group of semi reputable smugglers to keep trade running and docking fees paid in spite of the earth embargo. The minbari were using B5, not keeping it around for charity.

Actually, as Storm Raven points out, they did. B5 was never self-sufficient.

One of these things is not like the others.... maybe it was obsolete as well as old, but log cabins with woodstoves and non-flush toilets are pretty obsolete and yet people buy them all the time.

It was obsolete because they said they were obsolete. We can't make assumptions on
the B5 universe's economics based on anything but what we see on screen.

Anyway, I just threw out a easily repairable DVD player because it's was cheaper to buy
a new one. One bad model analogy for another.

er, I didn't get the impression that sheridan had anything to do with the decision. I thought he was informed of the station's impending destruction when he came to be "where it began".

Perhaps you are right, but it was how I perceived the scene back when I saw it.

I'm sure it possible to justify it if you want to do that sort of work for JMS, but I can't say its worth it to me. *shrug*

Oh, please. It's also pretty easy to dismiss any intra-series logic because a particular
scene didn't catch your fancy.