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After that poll, I think we can say not only does WotC not need an Elon Musk, TWITTER doesn't need an Elon Musk!
Well, things just got interesting, don't you think?
Most likely it's a goof caused by two different writers going for the same in-joke. But canonically, Mysterio guessed the same three digit code that Christine Palmer from a different reality gave the MCU, and that's a helluva coincidence.
Believe me, the sad oinking about 'superhero fatigue' started way early. Maybe not 2010, but real early.Is that a typo for 2020?
Because if not, it's some of the worst hyperbole/memory failure I've ever seen. There were only three MCU movies out by 2010 - Iron Man, Hulk, and Iron Man 2. No-one even talking about the MCU, let alone about the "MCU dying" in 2010. The MCU wasn't even discussed until Avengers in 2012.
If we're going to be real, it's 2020 when the "the MCU is done/dying" stuff started. Endgame was done, the Avengers had disassembled and lost their lynchpin, and for a lot of people, there wasn't an obvious way for the MCU to go after that. Then we had a bunch of TV series of varying quality, and that was when people really started saying that. Ain't nobody was saying that in 2010. What people said in 2010 was very different - "Iron Man 2 sucks" - that's not pretending anything. It did suck. It was not a good movie.
Regardless of all that, the MCU isn't likely to collapse under the weight of canon unless they force it to by making a bunch of movies that rely on you knowing a ton of canon. That's a choice. They don't have to do that. I mean, I will say they might, but like Wakanda, whilst it was pretty, full of good performances, and just slightly boring, didn't rely on a ton of canon knowledge, just you having watched BP1. And I expect that to continue. Ant-Man 3 seems like it might be a bit of a "The microverse is brown" car-crash, but not for excessive canon required.
It could also be because there is starting to be pressure from Tesla shareholders to oust him as CEO of Tesla as a result of the Twitter circus.
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'Elon abandoned Tesla': The EV maker's 3rd-largest individual shareholder calls for a new CEO as the Twitter circus tests investor patience
KoGuan Leo owns $3.57 billion of Tesla stock, building his stake during the pandemic when shares traded at a split-adjusted price of about $40.www.yahoo.com
Believe me, the sad oinking about 'superhero fatigue' started way early. Maybe not 2010, but real early.
I'm not sure I understand how you see canon hurting the movies.
I would say it is a combination of 3 things that are affecting reception
1) Change in economic landscape
2) Superhero fatigue
3) Studios going in a direction opposite to the desires of a sizeable portion of the fan base as is explained by various prominent podcasters on pop-culture. This along with their poor writing and plotting is driving away seats at the cinema.
Which is why I say you should not confuse Easter-eggs for meaningful canon.
Right, so canon of their own doing, which essentially boils down to the writing and plotting.Well, while I haven't seen most of the recent ones, there was a really simple version many people have been talking about.
Wandavision and Multiverse of Madness.
1) You need to have seen Wandavision to understand why Wanda is calling herself the Scarlet Witch and some of her changes.
2) If you have seen Wandavision then you know that she already learned the lesson and largely dealt with the issue which in Multiverse of Madness is driving her to go on a murderous rampage until she learns the lesson she already learned and deals with the issue she already dealt with.
You could say it is just a problem of bad writing, but it is actually deeply tied to the problems that come with Canon. You have to have seen a TV show to understand the movie, but you can't assume the people who see the movie have seen the TV show. So you try and write around it.
Additionally, there has been much speculation that the reason for Multiverse of Madness was to bring in the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU, because if they had existed, they would have mattered for the canon of the movies. So to maintain canon, you need a more complicated explanation. Which is really something that already happpened with Captain Marvel, who had to be in a movie and explained before Endgame and so her movie felt rushed and shoe-horned in, because it existed largely to make sure that she was established in canon before fighting Thanos.
Maybe the studios will be able to salvage it, not saying that it cannot be done. Just saying that, at this point, you can hear the structure groaning and struggling to support the canon.
And then there's this.It could also be because there is starting to be pressure from Tesla shareholders to oust him as CEO of Tesla as a result of the Twitter circus.
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'Elon abandoned Tesla': The EV maker's 3rd-largest individual shareholder calls for a new CEO as the Twitter circus tests investor patience
KoGuan Leo owns $3.57 billion of Tesla stock, building his stake during the pandemic when shares traded at a split-adjusted price of about $40.www.yahoo.com
Elon had already decided to step down as twitter CEO before he put up the poll. Musk's stupid antics at twitter has cost him billions of dollars and crushed the share price of Tesla. Investors in Tesla are close to rioting. Musk is facing a massive law suit for destroying Tesla share price....wut?
You know, this feels kind of like that Dave Chappel thing a little bit ago. Elon strode out on stage with swagger, expecting cheering crowds and adulation, only to be shocked by the amount of hate he got. This feels like him putting out a poll to say "see, the people love me!" only to once more be caught flat-footed as his fantasy crashes with reality.
It's.... it's really kind of sad.
Its not that complicated. The more setting cannon a franchise has, the more movies people are required to watch to have the background needed to understand a movie. If people need to have watched a dozen movies to actually understand a current movie, you are going to start loosing your audience.I'm not sure I understand how you see canon hurting the movies.
I would say it is a combination of 3 things that are affecting reception
1) Change in economic landscape
2) Superhero fatigue
3) Studios going in a direction opposite to the desires of a sizeable portion of the fan base as is explained by various prominent podcasters on pop-culture. This along with their poor writing and plotting is driving away seats at the cinema.
I've heard that he was planning on jumping ship (or switching to chairman of the board or CTO or something similar and that he already has someone (possibly Jared Kushner) lined up as the new CEO; this is no different than when he proposed $20 for a blue check and immediately went down to $8 when challenged. He already has a plan but is presenting it so to give his followers the illusion of choice, and here he can set himself up as a martyr forced out by those nasty libs.Sure. By that same token, "Yes" is winning by over 1.5 million votes. If he's rigged it to ensure "Yes" wins, that...would seem to indicate things have gone pretty poorly, I think. If he's rigged it to ensure "No" wins, then either he's failed miserably at rigging it, or people hate him that much that even with attempts to rig it the "wrong" answer is winning by more than an eighth of all votes, or he's going to do something real hinky right at the end which will draw attention to the rigging (which one could argue is a form of failing miserably at rigging the vote.)
There's literally no world where this doesn't look absolutely awful for Mr. Musk if he's rigged it.
Personally, I think he's just that much of a narcissist and blowhard that he genuinely believed there was a legion of "silent majority" folks out there who would back him up if he just gave them the opportunity. It fits his overall public personality and his past behavior, and explains why he would do a thing that is so obviously untrustworthy to anyone that doesn't have a massive craniorectal inversion.
WotC needs an Elon Musk, I know I'll get dumped on for saying it, but when 50% roughly that the D&D studio works on gets tossed in the trash and the rest tends to be shades of poorly done when the D&D studio doesn't have adult supervision (freelancers Keith, Matt, or George for examples of adult supervision).
We should be getting products equal to the 5e Southland Kickstarter, instead we are getting setting products without the settings. This is absurd.
New visionary leadership is needed.
And as big as the problems with D&D are, the issues with MtG dwarf it with a major consumer revolt going on, and multiple WotC studios that have been around for years and yet have yet to produce any products at all.
Maybe this is finally the time for the activist investors to make their next more or at least close to that time because it appears they have been vindicated.
Part of WotC's problem is they are too focused on casuals, but it's the hardcore fans that create the buzz that draws in the casuals in the first place (this is shown by the Fandom survey/research that basically fandoms in 4 grades from the most hardcore fans to the most casual casuals). Their current approach is to alienate hardcore fans to court casuals, and that is a problem because it's the hardcore fans the build the foundation the gets you the casuals.
It's what made the MCU (and ignoring that truth is killing the MCU) for example.
Well, I am a hardcore fan, so I'm hoping they keep it up as long as they can.Its not that complicated. The more setting cannon a franchise has, the more movies people are required to watch to have the background needed to understand a movie. If people need to have watched a dozen movies to actually understand a current movie, you are going to start loosing your audience.
Having a deep and complicated cannon, build up over dozens of movies may be good for the hardcore fans, but the more you cater to them the more you are going to start loosing the casual fans.
The problem is that a major Marvel movie will cost you something like half a billion dollars to produce. There just are not enough hardcore fans to make a movie profitable. If you can't make films that appeal to a wider audience of casual fans you will be bankrupt in short order.Well, I am a hardcore fan, so I'm hoping they keep it up as long as they can.
2) If you have seen Wandavision then you know that she already learned the lesson and largely dealt with the issue which in Multiverse of Madness is driving her to go on a murderous rampage until she learns the lesson she already learned and deals with the issue she already dealt with.