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The Abduction of Persephone is a regionalised retelling of a far more ancient story. Hades doesn't even exist in the earliest ones. Heck, one ancient version involves Horse-Poseidon chasing Horse-Demeter and Horse-Persephone (probably. Its a mystery cult, you know how their jam be) being born as a result. Hades himself doesn't even exist in the oldest versions and he just seems to be a split-off of the original Myceanan Poseidon, who was their king of the underworld

Mind, this is absolutely ancient stuff
Ah, I see you are also a fan of Overly Sarcastic Productions.

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The Phantom Lover was a plot device; there was almost no reason to actually bring him into your game. He was basically there to explain how Garbielle Aderre suddenly had a fully grown child.
But he was treated as a Darklord you could encounter and defeat only to arise again from intense levels of grief (again if I'm recalling correctly).

Dementlieu (pre-revolution Paris) was ruled by Dominc d'Honaire, who had total mind control powers.
Ah like a Kilgrave from the comics and Netflix's Jessica Jones.

In a game, the actual books shouldn't include NPCs that are likely to target my character not as a foe to be killed but as a woman to be raped.
That is far more terrifying - at least the monsters I mentioned upthread seek your character's eventual death and/or soul. Death can be cured in D&D, there is no spell to cure rape.

Even if the DM has no plans on ever including such a thing in their game, that sort of stuff has no place in a book being sold by a major company to an all-ages demographic.
This I would agree with, if they intend to create Darklords with this level of monstrosity the books should be marked appropriately.
 



Levistus's_Leviathan

5e Freelancer
I don't think anyone's gone all in for it, but I'd suspect absolutely given it seems to be a retelling of the older myth, just a different horse kid
Yeah, that's what I suspected. It's strange how often "gods turn into a horse and have magical horse children" pops up (Loki with Sleipnir, Poseidon with Arion, proto-Poseidon with Despoina).
 

Faolyn

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The Abduction of Persephone is a regionalised retelling of a far more ancient story. Hades doesn't even exist in the earliest ones. Heck, one ancient version involves Horse-Poseidon chasing Horse-Demeter and Horse-Persephone (probably. Its a mystery cult, you know how their jam be) being born as a result. Hades himself doesn't even exist in the oldest versions and he just seems to be a split-off of the original Myceanan Poseidon, who was their king of the underworld

Mind, this is absolutely ancient stuff
Sources? I'd love to read some of these older myths.
 

Sources? I'd love to read some of these older myths.
A lot of them are summarized (albeit snarkily) in the Overly Sarcastic Productions video I linked above, though sadly I don't have the comprehensive list of sources the video's creator was working from. Would have to go digging.

Some, particularly the Hades as an offshoot of Mycenean Poseidon part, is her own theorizing, and clearly stated as such.
 
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Sources? I'd love to read some of these older myths.
It involves a lot of digging but Descriptions of Greece (Hellados Periegesis) talks on it when it describes Arcadia, then you have to dig into Myceanan stuff for later parts

However given it was a mystery cult and Despoina is a title meaning "Mistress", as to define a goddess they would not speak the name of to the uninitiated, everyone's basically gone with the 'its Persephone' theory in the time since, given that Persephone and Demeter appear as a linked pair of goddesses with a similar title in Myceanan stuff, and a goddess who's occaisonally referred to as 'Dread queen' getting the Hades treatment of 'don't say their name' before the Hades myth-idea really spread seems to make sense
 






Remathilis

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It's not like we sanitise Greek myths right for those who would be affected by the rapes by Zeus?

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Micah Sweet

Legend
Oh you were thinking of the Hobbit chapter. I combined Blades in the Dark and Riddle of Steel in my head.

While this definitely sounds like a "catch him out as a hypocrite" kind of question, ok. I'm aware of the changes Tolkien made to the chapter, as well as minor changes to other parts of the book, and I'm ok with it for three reasons:

1. The author himself made the changes, not just the people who own the IP. That gives it legitimacy.

2. The changes were made to make the story more coherent with the Lord of the Rings. I like a coherent story.

3. I never read the original version of the chapter until long after I had read and absorbed the entire Legendarium. As a result, I have no emotional investment in the original, just avid academic interest.
 

JEB

Legend
Oh you were thinking of the Hobbit chapter. I combined Blades in the Dark and Riddle of Steel in my head.

While this definitely sounds like a "catch him out as a hypocrite" kind of question, ok. I'm aware of the changes Tolkien made to the chapter, as well as minor changes to other parts of the book, and I'm ok with it for three reasons:

1. The author himself made the changes, not just the people who own the IP. That gives it legitimacy.

2. The changes were made to make the story more coherent with the Lord of the Rings. I like a coherent story.

3. I never read the original version of the chapter until long after I had read and absorbed the entire Legendarium. As a result, I have no emotional investment in the original, just avid academic interest.
There's also an in-universe explanation for the change, per that wiki entry:
In The Lord of the Rings, the original version of the riddle game is explained as a "lie" made up by Bilbo under the harmful influence of the Ring, whereas the revised version contains the "true" account.
 


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