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WotC's Chris Perkins Talks About... Everything! Upcoming Storylines, Products, Staffing, Other World

WotC's Chris Perkins, Principal Designer for Dungeons & Dragons, was at Gamehole Con a couple of weeks ago. He took part in a panel there in which he covered a lot of things - product schedules, partnerships, other worlds, story flavours, staffing, upcoming storylines, Greyhawk, and so much more. You can listen to the whole (90-minute) audio recording here, but for those who prefer to read it I've quoted the highlights below. It's well worth the read, but if you have the time I strongly recommend you listen to the whole thing.

WotC's Chris Perkins, Principal Designer for Dungeons & Dragons, was at Gamehole Con a couple of weeks ago. He took part in a panel there in which he covered a lot of things - product schedules, partnerships, other worlds, story flavours, staffing, upcoming storylines, Greyhawk, and so much more. You can listen to the whole (90-minute) audio recording here, but for those who prefer to read it I've quoted the highlights below. It's well worth the read, but if you have the time I strongly recommend you listen to the whole thing.

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[h=4]On Products & Schedules[/h]
My job, and the job of our team going forward, is to try to make sure that anything that we do that ties to D&D is firmly rooted in story first. If we don't have a story to tell, we're not going to release any products to support it. Gone are the days, in 3rd and 4th Edition, when we were bound by the model of having to release a book a month or two books a month, or three books a month. We have no commitment or desire to do that going forward.


And part of that is just driven by business realities, part of it is driven by our knowledge of certain facts that we've obtained through surveys, through talking to people at shows, that there is kind of a certain amount of material that people can actually absorb before the stuff that we're releasing no longer has any value and is no longer serving anybody. A lot of 3rd Edition products, I'm sure, and 4th Edition products, I'm sure, that maybe you've bought or your players have bought are sitting on shelves having never been used, or used precious little. We don't sell products so that 5% of our audience can use 5% of it. We're now trying to sell products that 100% of our audience might use, and they'll use all of it.

The perceived value of D&D goes up, people actually having common shared experiences that they can talk about at cons, with their friends, and our stories actually get out there.

In the olden days when you had the early adventures TSR put out, everybody played Tomb of Horrors, and everybody played Keep on the Borderlands. Everybody played Temple of Elemental Evil. And those stories have transcended the game experience to the point now where people go to a convention and a 13 year old and a 40 year old and a 65 year old can all talk about Tomb of Horrors and know what they're all talking about.

[h=4]On Partnerships[/h]
Our first story that we launched with 5th Edition was Tyranny of Dragons, and we partnered with a number of different companies to tell that story. We partnered with Wolfgang Baur's company, Kobold Press to do a pair of TRPG products, we partnered with Gale Force 9, we partnered with WizKids, we partnered with our folks, Cryptic, the company which produces the Neverwinter MMO; we set up all these partners to tell that story.

[lq]One of the things we are going to be doing in the future is looking out at some of our other worlds[/lq]

[h=4]On Other Worlds[/h]
All these different elements [setting info in the core rulebooks] are contained there so that in future stories we don't have to limit ourselves to one world. And so while Tyranny of Dragons, and Elemental Evil, and Rage of Demons, have all fundamentally been Forgotten Realms based, one of the things we are going to be doing in the future is looking out at some of our other worlds. That doesn't mean we won't come back to the Realms, or have adventures that visit multiple different locations, start in one place and end in another... one of the goals with our stories is to go beyond Forgotten Realms, safe to say.

The other thing that we're driving to with our stories is to, whenever possible, draw upon the past, key elements from the history of the game that have not seen a lot of attention lately.

Sadly we won't be doing any stories round the D&D cartoon, and that's because we don't own the characters! CBS does!


[h=4]On Story Flavours[/h]
The story that follows Rage of Demons is not going to be anywhere near the Underdark, and it will have its own feel, its own flavour, its own atmosphere, its own thing. The story that follows that is going to be very different. It allows us to do things like ... Princes of the Apocalypse and the Elemental Evil story was very dungeon driven; it was a dungeon-based story... in the future we want to maybe do intrigue. What story would we have to tell in D&D that is fundamentally an intrigue story. Would it be like city based? Would it be planar based, where you're basically on some sort of planar hunt for something? And then maybe the story after that is ... [audience member suggests "horror"] ... horror, or something more light-hearted and flaky, or a little off-track, or like Eberron, a little more steampunkish, or Victorian pulpy... making sure every story has a different feel, flavour, making sure we get to visit some of our other worlds, and making sure that we're always going back to the source material and picking the best things out of the last and bringing them forward.

[h=4]On Staffing[/h]
The size of the D&D team at Wizards has changed over the years. I've been there since the TSR acquisition... when we first came to Wizards of the Coast with all the TSR folks, the D&D team numbered just under 50 people. And they were supporting a number of campaign settings that had held over from 2nd Edition, there was a Dragonlance team, there was a Forgotten Realms team, there was a Greyhawk team, every world still had its own team.... now there isn't dedicated teams for worlds, because there just aren't that many worlds that are actively supported any more. And so our team now numbers 15, and not only do we work on TRPG stuff, but we also support our novelists, we also provide support to our business partners working on digital games, miniatures, and game accessories. And we've also got part of our team whose brain space is dedicated to coming up with new ideas, new ways of getting D&D out there in the world. Loot Crate partnerships, for instance. Very, very beneficial for us, because they give us enormous exposure.

My story team consists of me, I have an art director named Richard Witters who I stole from the Magic team, who's brilliant... and I've got a storywriter named Adam Lee, who I also stole from Magic... and we're in the process of hiring a new concept artist.

[h=4]On Upcoming Storylines[/h]
I can't talk about specific storylines that we're working on presently, and at this time we're working on four. We've got two stories to tell next year, and then we've got two more stories in fairly developed states, and we don't even know necessarily when they're going to appear yet.

On the next storyline -- That's a tough one to answer. To a certain extent, obtusely, I've already answered it with the three things I called attention to. Once could speculate based on what I've told you what might happen.... we do have an upcoming story that does go back to a past adventure... doesn't feature dragons, so it won't be anything from the Dragonlance saga... I think it's safe to say if you look at the things we haven't played with yet which are fairly intrinsic to D&D [he asked the audience to suggest D&D monsters, and the vampire is shouted out] ... the vampire has been around in D&D, it's not a unique D&D monster by any stretch, but we would be remiss if we didn't do something with vampires at some point. I can almost assure you that we will get around to doing that. Certainly gothic ... and Victorian, and that sort of feel.. the question is all about timing. When is the time to do it? When is it going to surprise and delight the most people?

[lq]Turns out we can't keep folks excited for a year. There are too many other distractions in the world today.[/lq]

That's another thing about our stories, is that we don't want to be predictable. In fact, we've even changed out release plans so we don't even tell people. Five years ago, Wizards would tell people a year in advance what products we were releasing. Now we don't do it until literally months before it comes out. Part of that is simply Shock and Awe. And because we've evaluated how long we can keep peoples' excitement. Turns out we can't keep folks excited for a year. There are too many other distractions in the world today. Too many entertainment properties competing for peoples' attention. 3, 4 months, perfect window. People can remember and stay excited for 3-4 months about something.

So, yeah, vampire, classic monster, yeah, we'll do a story with vampires... [more classic monster suggestions].. yeah, we'll do a story with giants.

[lq]Yeah, we'll do a story with vampires[/lq]

On codenames -- I'm doing two playtests here at the show. One is for a story codenamed Cloak, and one is for a story codenamed Dagger. All of our stories now have codenames ... it's necessary because we have to submit all of our story names for trademark search... there are a lot of titles in the world out there today, and we often have a title that we like that gets rejected .. because it was the name of a video game that was made in 1979 ... it's getting harder and harder and harder to come up with names. So until we have a name that is actually trademarked, we go with codenames.

Cloak -- ... they were going up into the icy mountains, and this temple under a mountain that's basically become a repository of evil. There was this sect of good-aligned wizards and paladins who were keeping this temple, and all of the evil within it, trapped there, to keep the world from going, you know, crazy. Keep the world safe. But that was 400, 500 years ago. What's in there enow? Well, maybe the wizards have all died off. Maybe they sort of succumbed to the evil there. Who knows? But it's an interesting story, and that's a piece, or a fragment, of a story that is going to be important in the future.

Dagger -- Dagger is a story in which you're going around and pillaging the ancestral mounds of barbarian tribes. And that has a slightly different feel, don't you think? It feels a bit more pulpy, and oh, you're got an airship! Great!

Now, by telling you that, I haven't actually given anything away about the main plots of those stories, I assure you. But it's tantalising...

[h=4]On shorter modular adventures[/h]
We are doing that, but we're doing it now though Adventurer's League. So our shorter module adventures are all Adventurer's League adventures, you can play many of them here, you can also download them. Because we've discovered that because now here stories are these experiences that are meant to last a period of time, our typical stories usually have a marketing plan associated with them that runs for about 4-6 months, we'e discovered that that's actually good for us because it goes enough people the chance to discover it and experience it and then talk about it before they get taken off on the new thing. And part of the goal with the stories is to bring people together with common experiences, and the shorter, more modular things tend to be fleeting, and don't get that resonance The other challenge with them is when it comes to actually selling modules. Their presence on the shelf is significantly less. When they're shelved in, they don't have spines, they disappear and get lost more quickly, the stores that buy them don't give them as much credence or as much weight, whereas when we release a bigger book, or a box or something, that has a little bit of "oomph" behind it, it tends to get the stores and the distributors more excited, and it tends to give us a bigger buildup. People get more energised, they start saving money for it, they know that they won't have to buy six things from us, they can just buy one..and a lot of that is driven by, just like a World of Warcraft model. You can't imagine Blizzard releasing six expansions a year. They don't ... they want to release a mammoth, not a bunch of mice.

[lq]You can't imagine Blizzard releasing six expansions a year. They don't ... they want to release a mammoth, not a bunch of mice.[/lq]


[h=4]Other Assorted Items[/h]
Home-brew vs. published -- A great bulk of those who play D&D run homebrew settings. But of those home-brew campaigns, over half of those homebrewers do pillage from other settings ... 15% or 50% of the world they've created has hawked stuff from other worlds. They're comfortable pillaging our products for ideas. That homebrew number, I can't remember the exact percentage, but I think it's like 55% homebrew. And then it's like 35% Forgotten Realms, and then everything else ... Very few people right now, turns out, running Dark Sun campaigns. A sliver of a sliver. Very few people running Hollow World campaigns. Very few people are running Mystara campaigns. It pretty much goes Homebrew, Forgotten Realms, I think Greyhawk's at 5% ands then everybody else is at 2% or 1%.

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Consultants -- As far as with working with people... it's another change in how we do business at WotC. We never used to do this before. We consult. 5th Edition was very good to us. The company supports us wholeheartedly, they have given us large amounts of money to basically bring people from the outside who have some cachet or who are creative titans in their field, bring them in an actually have them consult with us on our stories. They help us develop the stories. The way it works is we drive a dump truck of money up to their house, and we say "Come with us to Renton, Washington for a week and sit down for a week's worth of meetings to break a story." And we don't even know that we're necessarily going to do this in product yet. We just ant to get these people out here and pick their brains and see what comes out of it. One of our most successful endeavours was Pendleton Ward, the creator of Adventure Time. He came out for a week, spent some time with us in meetings, and a marvellous story came out of that wacky coalition of elements that you'll be seeing in the not too distant future. We've had other consultants as well. For instance on Out of the Abyss we naturally brought in Bob Salvatore. RA Salvatore writes the Drizzt novels, since Drizzt was going to be sort of an anchor for the story, we brought him in to consult on that. But we are looking at bringing in consultants beyond the range, beyond the pale... people that obviously love D&D may not actually have ever worked on a D&D product. Or maybe they have! Who knows? If I could resurrect Gary Gygax I would bring him in as a consultant, certainly. But we have to stick to the living.

[lq]It is incumbent upon WotC to spend some amount of its time, effort, mindspace, and resources to ensuring that the roleplaying hobby and the D&D enthusiast hobby, the gaming hobby, is healthy[/lq]

On inclusiveness and growing the hobby -- We are going to see D&D stories that are fresh, that are going to attract new people to the hobby, and I think it is incumbent on us probably more so than any other company ... it is incumbent upon WotC to spend some amount of its time, effort, mindspace, and resources to ensuring that the roleplaying hobby and the D&D enthusiast hobby, the gaming hobby, is healthy, that people are always coming in, that we have stories that are welcoming to them, that are inclusive, that are going to appeal to more than just middle America white guys, that are showing D&D to people in a whole new light, in a way that's fresh, that's welcoming, in keeping with the age in which we live, and I don't want anybody feeling discriminated against by our D&D stories, by the products that we're releasing. I don't want anybody to feel that they can't play because of some perceived barrier, because their mother told them it was satanists ... D&D has always been safe and fun and smart and friendship-inducing.

Level ranges - Tyranny of Dragons, the TRPG products that were released for it, took you from levels 1-15. Elemental Evil, same, 1-15. Out of the Abyss, our Rage of Demons adventure, 1-15. We're going to be changing up that model in the future. So you may see future stories which are strictly low-level, you may see some that are sort of set in the middle, you may see some that are set strictly high-level. Or you may see a story that can be told at level 3, level 10, and level 15. We're going to change that up for a couple of reasons. 1) We don't want to be boring and predictable. 2) We've discovered that when we give people 4-6 months to play an adventure, they won't necessarily get to the end. Tyranny of Dragons, most games did not make it to the end. Elemental Evil, most games did not make it to the very end. Out of the Abyss remains to be seen. So, for the next one, we're going a little shorter, and for the one after that we're going a little shorter still. That doesn't necessarily mean that the products will be getting tremendously shorter; for instance one of the upcoming products that we're doing it enormously replayable. It's a short adventure, but you can play it 200 times and never have the same adventure twice.

[lq]Tyranny of Dragons, most games did not make it to the end[/lq]

Non-story based products like SCAG - Will we do more of that in the future? Yeah, part of our goal in that is to surprise and delight ... if all we did were big adventure books, that wouldn't be surprising. So the question is "What is the next Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide?" Who knows? I don't know. ... But let's say we did a Greyhawk adventure, Greyhawk has been out of circulation now for how many years? Although you can still ... there's nothing stopping you from running a Greyhawk campaign because everything out there is still there and its still timely. And it remains, as far as I'm concerned it's an open question whether we would even change the timeline. Greyhawk's current timeline is perfectly cromulent. So is its original timeline. So the question then becomes "Is it a better user experience to put all the information you need to know about Greyhawk in the adventure product because it's really for the DN's information, or is it better, and it's going to be better received, if that information is parcelled, divorced from the adventure as a separate thing that you have to buy? That you have to spend money on now."

On Greyhawk -- The other problem that we have with Greyhawk, speaking honestly, is that it's D&D at its most core. The problem is if I were t say that to somebody in an elevator, they'd go "I have no idea what you mean. What the hell do you mean, Greyhawk is like D&D at its core? What is core D&D?" "Oh, it's monsters and magic and wizards!" "Well, you just described The Hobbit. You just described Dragonlance. You just described Forgotten Realms." What makes Greyhawk, Greyhawk? Is it Gary? What else about Greyhawk makes Greyhawk, Greyhawk? Is it low magic? Because you have Mordenkainen - he is not low magic. So it's that magic is more exclusive in Greyhawk? Unless you goto the Valley of the Magi, where it's not. It's got barbarians, a whole lot ... look at the Greyhawk map, there's a whole lot of barbarian territory up there. We don't know a whole lot about them except that they're tigers and... we've got Scarlet Brotherhood which are aryan monastic wanna control the world type organisation, somebody at work, I can't remember it was Mike Mearls or somebody else, described Greyhawk as almost Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser-esque, Fritz Leiber, Lankhmar-esque. That would certainly make sense based on things I heard about what Greyhawk was like when Gary was running it, sort of maybe he felt that way. Certainly Fritz Leiber was a friend of Gary's and the Gygax family, and Gary loved his works according to Empire of the Imagination.

If we were to do a Greyhawk story, one of the things I'd be sorely tempted to do is focus on Iuz. I'm not going to give you a full campaign setting. I'm going to tell you a story about Iuz and all of the **** that he's doing right now and all of the repercussions that are happening because of that... Iuz is going to be the glue that holds this story together.

The full audio is a 90-minute podcast available from Gaming and BS. I've covered the salient points, but there's plenty more there to listen to!

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Remathilis

Legend
I'm sorry, but the "can't announce things or the fans will riot" is bs. Lots of things get announced and then canned; the tech industry is littered with press releases for product that never came to fruition. If WotC can't handle that because it hurts their feelings, then find better PR people.

To me, it really looks like WotC has no idea how to go forward. They know what NOT to do: no glut of settings, no splat of the month, no 16 page modules, etc, but they don't know what to DO yet. They tried story tied sourcebooks (failed to materialize), free download crunch (no money in that) 10 months of UA (of which, 2 things made it into finished form: swashbuckler and storm sorcerer) and one supplement book about something everyone took for granted (FR update).

WotCs other side, Magic, announced at least three products so far for 2016. They know what's on the docket until April. Wouldn't it be nice to know what D&D products were coming out between now and April? My guess is none.

The problem isn't that D&D isn't doing well or that there isn't enough product, is that WotC isn't sure where to go next and they are trying to assure us that things are going smooth while they are trying to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks. Due to this, there is no long term vision beyond the "next product or two". Do they really think they can keep an audience with just innuendo and silence?

I guess they think they can.
 

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hawkeyefan

Legend
[MENTION=7635]Remathilis[/MENTION] I think his point wasn't that if products were cancelled people would flip, although that may play a part, but rather there is a marketing sweet spot that they have found to be effective and that's more like a 3 to 4 month period rather than the longer ones of days past.

I do think they can keep an audience with such an approach. Yes, some folks will complain and some may even walk away from D&D I suppose, but both of those things are unavoidable regardless.

I actually prefer shorter notice of releases. I really don't need to know a year out that an adventure or sourcebook is coming out. I don't really see why people feel that need.

If it's just to know that there's a plan in place and that the game is going strong...I would think that so much of what he said in his speech would support that.
 

wedgeski

Adventurer
To me, it really looks like WotC has no idea how to go forward. They know what NOT to do: no glut of settings, no splat of the month, no 16 page modules, etc, but they don't know what to DO yet. They tried story tied sourcebooks (failed to materialize), free download crunch (no money in that) 10 months of UA (of which, 2 things made it into finished form: swashbuckler and storm sorcerer) and one supplement book about something everyone took for granted (FR update).
Their vision is clear. Two stories a year, crunch tied in with the story themes, the odd ancillary product in response to the market, and experimental stuff online. It's the marketing you seem to have a problem with.
 

Remathilis

Legend
Their vision is clear. Two stories a year, crunch tied in with the story themes, the odd ancillary product in response to the market, and experimental stuff online. It's the marketing you seem to have a problem with.

If the vision is clear, why is it so hard to communicate it?

Let's take the Eberron playtest: it was the first UA and is coming up on its first birthday in a month or so. We got three races, a subclass, and a rather complex feat. We gave feedback on it via surveys, tweets, and messageboards, and they said things needed work. Fair enough.

Then, silence.

Most people assumed it meant an Eberron book is in the works. Makes sense, right? Except that doesn't jive with the "Realms in the foreseeable future" mantra surrounding the APs. Why playtest a bunch of stuff that doesn't seem to connect to any product? The Waterborne UA stuff was a hodgepodge of stuff that did see print (swashbuckler and storm sorcerer), didn't (marine fighting style) and very specific setting material (Krynnotaurs). Why give us a Krynn-specific race to playtest if Krynn isn't somewhere on the docket? Yet, it was stated that ToD was an attempt to capture a Dragonlance-style game "in the Realms" which again seems like conflicting viewpoints. Why waste design time on races and rules that won't see print anytime in the next year or so?

We had a finished "picture" of the Mongrelfolk flavor-text (from a monster or possibly racial writeup) that everyone assumed would be in OotA, except that monster wasn't. Nor was it in SCAG. We're not talking a UA or some draft doc; it looked like finished typeset on the parchment background. Where did the mongrelfolk go? Is it for another AP? MM2? Were they cut from OotA? Was it all a fever dream? Or how about how many people were expect a Rage of Demons Player's Companion after the EE one. Couldn't WotC have said "not this time, but we have something else in the works" knowing the SCAG was full steam ahead? (For that matter, what happened to the Monster Supplement for OotA like the other two APs had for those who were running under the Basic Rules only. So much for that notion.)

Again and again, WotC seems to lack either some grand vision for what they want out of TT or the ability to communicate it to its fans. As you said, its 2 APs per year, and maybe something else if we finish it. It doesn't speak of a clear vision, it speaks of the bare minimum and a lot of uncertainty.
 

Reinhart

First Post
If the vision is clear, why is it so hard to communicate it?

Because the D&D team kinda sucks at marketing? Heck, a couple of their brand managers probably have that job title simply because of seniority and a desire to shrink the amount of payroll allocated to game design. But just because WotC is only funding 2-3 books set in the Forgotten Realms each year doesn't mean that's the only thing the D&D team is actually thinking about and playing in their free time. Unearthed Arcana is probably the most off-the-cuff and direct window into the sorts of stuff that they're playing with in their own campaigns. Just ignore the B.S. surveys and don't hold your breath for anything to get actually printed.

Edit: I guess where I disagree is the uncertainty. The D&D team is no longer structured to put out a lot of products and aim at more than one deadline. I'm pretty sure a few years back someone in management "switched their paradigm from waterfall to agile." I'm sorry for those of you who understand that last sentence. They're just not the RPG company they used to be. There is definitely tighter rein on the process and a greater focus on just "the next story," which is always 6 or so months down the road.

I'm not saying you have to like this new business model and I understand if you don't. I just don't think it's really that murky and it's unlikely to change regardless.
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Because the D&D team kinda sucks at marketing? Heck, a couple of their brand managers probably have that job title simply because of seniority and a desire to shrink the amount of payroll allocated to game design.

Let's not just make stuff up, eh?
 

Reinhart

First Post
Let's not just make stuff up, eh?

Sorry, I don't mean that to be taken as a fact. That's why I use the word probably. I just have some experience with wrangling budgets. When one department's funding shrinks and another's grows what often happens is a bunch of non-redundant managers get shuffled into new job descriptions under the growing department. Nothing sinister, just the way teams are prone to adapt.
 
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GobiWon

Explorer
Different point. Keeping D&D running as a game to keep the D&D brand running? Absolutely. Right there with you. But that's 'Dungeons & Dragons' the IP. But forcing the Forgotten Realms setting to continue being published because they want 'Forgotten Realms' to equal the market presence of 'D&D'? Absolutely no point. D&D is the brand. The extremely niche brand that only specific tabletop gamers and isolated video gamers and fantasy novel readers know and care about. Individual components of D&D are never going to reach D&D's level... which is exactly why people several years ago who said Pathfinder was surpassing D&D as the "default" for RPGs were crazy-- it might have been played more amongst those within the niche, but the name itself had absolutely no market penetration into the general public. And the same is true for 'Forgotten Realms'. That name means nothing to the public in terms of roleplaying games, just like 'Pathfinder' means nothing. Everything begins and ends with 'Dungeons & Dragons'. At least until a potential Forgotten Realms movie is made and actually becomes a financial powerhouse. Then-- and only then-- would the names and tropes of the Realms (if used in the big budget powerhouse blockbuster movie) become the default icons of Dungeons & Dragons.

But until that point... where the only people who know the names of things involving the Realms (excluding Drizzt) are the people who already play the game... WotC has no need to push Realms at the expense of their own bottom line financially and creatively. Because we in the niche already know that which we need to know of the Realms if/when a movie gets made. So if it makes sense to the D&D department to switch over to a different setting for an upcoming book, then the're probably going to do so. Because they can always come back to the Realms once the movie gets released to try and capitalize on it in whatever tiny way they can.

That's the point. They want the D&D brand to be synonymous with the people and places of the Forgotten Realms. Marvel would be nothing without it's iconic superheroes. They want people who have some brand awareness of D&D to explore the "world of D&D" which, for good or bad, right now is Forgotten Realms. When or if the movies and video games reach the masses, they want the new, larger fan base to be able to reference a common setting, not a hodge podge of worlds that have little connection to one another.
 

carmachu

Adventurer
Well, what a statement that makes. We're very proud of you and all. But how are .pdf sales "suspect"? Because you don't like .pdfs they somehow don't count? So by that logic, I can completely disregard all discussion of Pathfinder or Palladium sales because I don't buy them?

Perhaps I phrased it poorly, using myself as an example. Perhaps better would be, what percentage of gamers buy PDF's, because if its again just a percent of a percent, it would be suspect.
 

carmachu

Adventurer
But, do you honestly believe you are the standard we should be following here though? I mean, if we're trading anecdotes, I haven't bought a dead tree book, outside of 5e core, in about ten years. And, I suspect I'm not alone. Trying to extrapolate from personal experience is tricky at best.

perhaps using myself as an example(although much like you, I dont think I'm alone), might not be the best idea.....but then, what should be asked is what percent of gamers are buying PDF's? If its similar to folks that play other worlds, would it be suspect then? A percent of a percent?
 

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