Would you allow this in your games?

[Xavim]

I've been having fun with the idea I've had that allows anyone with Telekinesis to kill virtually anything without DR in a single round and am curious to see how many DMs would allow this perfectly legal attack.

Telekinesis allows the character to throw 25lbs/caster level.
The objects I choose to throw? Arrows.
These objects would deal weapon Damage so 1d6
and at 9th level (the minimum needed to use the spell) the caster can throw 1500 of them (20 arrows weigh 3lbs according to the PHB)
This results in damage of 1500 - 9000 in a single round if they all hit. Now since 20s automatically hit, it deals 75 - 450 damage regardless of AC.

(I carry these in a wagon by the way.)

(Keep in mind this is 3.0)

 

[gfunk]

I don't want to sound harsh, but this is an old, rehashed strategy that has been proposed time and time again. Of course, the true powergamer will be an arcane trickster with a cartload of shurikens who demands sneak attack damage with all of them following Telekinesis.

Short answer, it doesn't work.

I'm sure other charitable members of the boards will be happy to post links to the countless threads where this idea has been debated.

<added>
3.5 has has changed Telekinesis so it is now abudnantly clear.

At 9th level you can hurl 9 bolts or arrows with your BAB+Int modifier and the damage is as a dagger (d4, no strength).

 

[Xavim]

Well I'd like to hear why it doesn't work...
That'd be nice...

 

[LGodamus]

ummm .........Scottie don't.

 

[boxstop7]

Would I allow it? In a word, NO. I don't allow anything that remotely comes close to psionics/telekenesis/whatever. Far too unbalanced in my low-mid magic games.

~Box

 

[DreadPollock]

No, I would not allow this. The v3.5 description says that as a Violent Thrust you can throw a max of 15 objects at 15th level. They must all be within range, and within 10'/level of the target. It also says arrows and bolts do damage as daggers of their size, so 1d4, not 1d6.

So, assuming you have 15 arrows handy, you can do 15d4 damage to a single target. You must make a ranged attack roll with your BAB + Int/Cha for each arrow. You could throw 25 lb objects and do 15d6 instead, but you also need to find 15, 25 lb object within range and within range of the target.

Compared to a Magic Missile, which maxes out at 5d4+5, this is does more damage, but require attack rolls, and something to throw. Looks like WotC was ahead of you on this one

-Dread

 

[gfunk]

Well I'd like to hear why it doesn't work...
That'd be nice...

Ask and ye shall receive:

1. http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3759&highlight=telekinesis+damage
* It doesn't work b/c Telekinesis is a violent force and doesn't allow fine manipulation of 100s of small objects simultaneously with one casting.

2. http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4617&highlight=telekinesis+damage
* Similar arguments

Unfortunately, the archives don't go back further than that.

I'm quite sure the Sage ruled against it.

However, as a DM if you accept this as a valid tactic then be prepared for the bucket of snails/Great Cleave/Whirlwind Attack combo and the blind kobold/Expert Tactician/infiinte sneak attack and the Body Fuel/infinite psionic point loop.

In other words, a big old can o' worms.

 

[ph34r]

Any sane person would not allow this.

 

[Daedrova]

Page 292

Page 292, starting at the bottom of the middle column it describes exactly what you are asking about. "Violent thrust"- second sentence "You can hurl one object or creature per caster level (maximum 15)..."
So, at 9th level, you could hurl up to 9 arrows, doing 9dX (x= damage of dagger of those arrows or bolts size) points of damage provided you hit with each of them (yes, you could crit for x2 damage).
The additional restriction "up to 25 pounds per level", is just that, an additional restriction. You still may not hurl more than 1 per caster level. You could, in theory, hurl Colossal sized arrows, providing they weigh less than 25 pounds...
But really, who will EVER carry those around?
::glares menacingly at people with hands raised::

 

[reapersaurus]

Xavim, it doesn't work because "If it seems outrageously overpowered, than it IS."

I can't believe you'd post that the way you did.