You reap what you sow - GSL.

[jdrakeh]

What was the whole point again? Oh yeah, moral high ground. Just for something different, eh. (not you btw, I mean the thread in general.)

Actually, I'm pretty certain that the whole point was simply to dispel the incorrect assertion being offered up as fact that he was directing his employer's business with regard to the Iron Heroes OGC declaration or was otherwise responsible for the lack of OGC released by companies who have hired him to write.*

[Edit: Oh. The thread in general? I think the point made by Merric was that the numerous publishers who used the OGL and then screamed loudly whenever people dared to discuss the reuse of OGC, were likely part of the reason for the GSL restrictions.]

*Which in and of itself seems to have been offered up in order to shift discussion away from the actual, documented, reason that dozens of publishers cited for not wanting to contribute to the OGC Wiki project).

 

[Maggan]

AFAICT, the publishers who rejected the wiki did so because they wanted to retroactively restrict already open content.

It would have been very interesting to have seen if an OGC wiki could have created a stronger bastion against 4e for third party publishers, than what Pathfinder maybe is going to become.

A collection of the 3.5 rules in a wiki could have been a tremendous pillar of support for the smaller publishers who are now relegated to chosing 4e GSL or ... not much at all. There are some licenses out there, but non have the reach that the 3.5 OGL has/had.

It would have been very interesting. But then, things are pretty interesting now as well.

/M

 

[Yair]

*Which in and of itself seems to have been offered up in order to shift discussion away from the actual, documented, reason that dozens of publishers cited for not wanting to contribute to the OGC Wiki project).

On which point I'd like to mention the startling new development, for those who don't frequent the Publishers subforum, that Mongoose Publishing is now essentially pushing forward such a wiki. Which I consider pretty amazing - I thought the OGC Wiki dead, dead, dead.

 

[jdrakeh]

It would have been very interesting to have seen if an OGC wiki could have created a stronger bastion against 4e for third party publishers, than what Pathfinder maybe is going to become.

Well, it looks like, as of yesterday, Mongoose has agreed to sponsor such a wiki for their own OGL and d20 games going out of print (apparently they're pulling all PDF copies of those products from the market, as well). Whcih is neat -- but, I suspect too little to make any kind of a noticeable difference in the current market.

It would have been very interesting.

For certain. And probably a lot less scary for many publishers

 

[jdrakeh]

On which point I'd like to mention the startling new development, for those who don't frequent the Publishers subforum, that Mongoose Publishing is now essentially pushing forward such a wiki. Which I consider pretty amazing - I thought the OGC Wiki dead, dead, dead.

Beat me to it! While it's a noble effort and I applaud it, I think it's too late for such a project to have any kind of substantial impact on the current direction of design trends or market evolution.

That said, I think it will serve as a point of historical preservation which, for me, is just as important (if not moreso). Where are the hundreds of games fromt he 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s? Most of them are rotting in some former publisher's basement.

This is a great opportunity to publically preserve much gaming material that would otherwise be lost, I think.

 

[eyebeams]

This statement makes the false assumption that I had any hand whatsoever in that declaration.

I'm sure you didn't. But you sure didn't raise the same kind of stink about your own stuff as you did about, say, everyone else's.

 

[eyebeams]

On which point I'd like to mention the startling new development, for those who don't frequent the Publishers subforum, that Mongoose Publishing is now essentially pushing forward such a wiki. Which I consider pretty amazing - I thought the OGC Wiki dead, dead, dead.

You can unlock a restraurant dumpster and find willing takers, too.

 

[eyebeams]

We now have written confirmation that Occam's razor still works

But strawmen are still strawmen, apparently.

 

[WhatGravitas]

Whcih is neat -- but, I suspect too little to make any kind of a noticeable difference in the current market.

Well... it can collect OGL material that goes out of print/PDF due to conversion to GSL, no?

Cheers, LT.

 

[Aus_Snow]

You can unlock a restraurant dumpster and find willing takers, too.

Dude, what?

That does it. I must be delirious.