BLACKDIRGE
Adventurer
I smell a 3rd-party supplement opportunity.
Blackdyrge's Daemonomicon has a nice ring to it...
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Blackdyrge's Daemonomicon has a nice ring to it...
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D&D 4E Yugoloths in 4E
FourthBear
First Post
Kamikaze Midget said:
I have to admit that while I did like some of the specific daemons and concepts, overall the race has never particularly inspired me. The writers had a hard enough time trying to distinguish the CE fiends from the LE fiends, let alone from the NE fiends. Unless a very strong distinguishing concept can be come up with, I would just as soon see them as another family of demons.
Kunimatyu
First Post
Yugoloths(and their baernoloth creators) work as the demons that formed near the center of Tharizdun's hole in the Elemental Chaos, and they're basically pure undiluted Evil, serving Evil for its own sake. Other demons, formed out of more chaos+evil, focus on destruction -- the yugoloths embody Evil in its purest form.
Shemeska
Adventurer
Kunimatyu said:
That could certainly work, with the yugoloths serving as the hands of the ultroloths (or baernaloths), mingling with the demons, living amongst and acting much like demons themselves. The ultroloths might be the shattered embodiments of the shard of Evil that Tharizdun used to wreck the elemental chaos, and the baernaloths could be an even more distant and unknowable evil that gave that lovely little toy to Tharizdun in the first place, seeking to corrupt (another) multiverse with their touch. They aren't destruction, they aren't control and domination, they're the malign Other.
Of course, call me jaded, but I really don't see WotC giving them much elaboration, or going much beyond 'soldier demons'. Which is a shame.
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The Ubbergeek
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Well, as I said, this way, the DM can spin his own take on it.
Although individual yugoloths were cool (almost all of them, in fact), as a separate type of creature they never did it for me. I've never used the Great Wheel cosmology, so I never needed a different kind of creature for each alignment.
Since it appears that Law and Chaos will be downplayed in 4e, I don't have a problem with yugoloths being a classification of demon. I do hope to see some cool ( ) stats for ultrodemons soon. Mezzodemons will be in the MM1.
I am also glad to see that the naming convention has gone back to its roots. In AD&D, mezzoloaths were mezzodaemons, nycoloths were nycodaemons, etc.... The XXX-loths seemed an unwelcome holdover from 2e IMO.
Since it appears that Law and Chaos will be downplayed in 4e, I don't have a problem with yugoloths being a classification of demon. I do hope to see some cool (
) stats for ultrodemons soon. Mezzodemons will be in the MM1.I am also glad to see that the naming convention has gone back to its roots. In AD&D, mezzoloaths were mezzodaemons, nycoloths were nycodaemons, etc.... The XXX-loths seemed an unwelcome holdover from 2e IMO.
The Ubbergeek
First Post
I disagree however on the names. The Planescape-created terminology was very nice.
Shemeska
Adventurer
And because I can:
Chorazin the Thrice Damned drifted high above the metaphysical landscape, the halo of flame atop his head shedding a surreal light upon his surroundings and his sole companion. Below them the tides and currents of the elemental chaos rose and fell like a great ocean of raw physical creation. Tidal waves of flame crashed upon islands of eternal ice while living gemstones flowered and dusted the air with drifting clouds of stinging minerals. Everything was unsullied in its own way, though the model was left perfect from the standpoint of symmetry.
"What is it that you would have us do here Father/Mother?"
The question was direct and pragmatic, spoken as the baernaloth had come to expect from his handmaiden in that new cosmos. Larsdana Ap Neut stood next to him, the ruff of fur on her cheeks windblown and raw, touched with a layer of whisper-thin salt and dust from the unruly elemental maelstrom below. The exposure to the elements, the raw and actual elements, rather than just the metaphysical -idea- of those elements as expressed by a form and variety of evil was something she was unaccostumed to. Her eyes watered and her flesh was raw, though the blood that seeped from the corners of her eyes and sullied the velvet of her robes was due the agony she embraced by standing so close to her maker.
"We've done this before Larsdana." Chorazin Ibn Shartalan explained, his voice causing the arcanaloth's form to momentarily blur and twist. "As different as this conception of reality might appear, you should recognize the taste."
"Yes, Great One, I do." Her tongue flicked out like a serpent, touching the air and licking the caked minerals from her muzzle. "Are we to be your intruments this time, like the last? Or is the one below us dancing and laughing like a mad fool to play some part in this?"
The Gloom Father's dead white eyes twitched and he smiled, revealing ragged teeth stained with black, greasy blood. "Good. You see the differences."
A sly, jackal's grin crossed her face as she began to see her role and that of the idiot godling below.
Unknowing, still innocent in his own way, Tharizdun laughed and played, combining and merging the elements to make new and wonderous things to amuse his child-like mind.
"Hmm? Now what would this be?"
The godling paused and looked down at the curious purple gemstone that he'd come across. He'd never seen anything like it before, and as he stared in amazement and wonder, its cold illumination played over his face, striking thin, fine lines of age into his features.
"Hello" The gemstone spoke to him, polite and promising, hinting at so many amazing things that it could show him, all with a single word.
"Beautiful precious thing." Tharizdun said. "Who or what might you be? I've played across the shores of the elements and the depths of the astral seas, but never have I seen something like you."
"I am the Heart of Darkness" The gemstone replied, smiling into his mind and brushing delicate claws across the god's face, drawing bruises and age-spots across the flesh. "But my newfound friend, you may call me Larsdana, and I have so many things to show you.".
Smiling, Tharizdun reached forward and touched the gemstone.
Chorazin the Thrice Damned drifted high above the metaphysical landscape, the halo of flame atop his head shedding a surreal light upon his surroundings and his sole companion. Below them the tides and currents of the elemental chaos rose and fell like a great ocean of raw physical creation. Tidal waves of flame crashed upon islands of eternal ice while living gemstones flowered and dusted the air with drifting clouds of stinging minerals. Everything was unsullied in its own way, though the model was left perfect from the standpoint of symmetry.
"What is it that you would have us do here Father/Mother?"
The question was direct and pragmatic, spoken as the baernaloth had come to expect from his handmaiden in that new cosmos. Larsdana Ap Neut stood next to him, the ruff of fur on her cheeks windblown and raw, touched with a layer of whisper-thin salt and dust from the unruly elemental maelstrom below. The exposure to the elements, the raw and actual elements, rather than just the metaphysical -idea- of those elements as expressed by a form and variety of evil was something she was unaccostumed to. Her eyes watered and her flesh was raw, though the blood that seeped from the corners of her eyes and sullied the velvet of her robes was due the agony she embraced by standing so close to her maker.
"We've done this before Larsdana." Chorazin Ibn Shartalan explained, his voice causing the arcanaloth's form to momentarily blur and twist. "As different as this conception of reality might appear, you should recognize the taste."
"Yes, Great One, I do." Her tongue flicked out like a serpent, touching the air and licking the caked minerals from her muzzle. "Are we to be your intruments this time, like the last? Or is the one below us dancing and laughing like a mad fool to play some part in this?"
The Gloom Father's dead white eyes twitched and he smiled, revealing ragged teeth stained with black, greasy blood. "Good. You see the differences."
A sly, jackal's grin crossed her face as she began to see her role and that of the idiot godling below.
Unknowing, still innocent in his own way, Tharizdun laughed and played, combining and merging the elements to make new and wonderous things to amuse his child-like mind.
"Hmm? Now what would this be?"
The godling paused and looked down at the curious purple gemstone that he'd come across. He'd never seen anything like it before, and as he stared in amazement and wonder, its cold illumination played over his face, striking thin, fine lines of age into his features.
"Hello" The gemstone spoke to him, polite and promising, hinting at so many amazing things that it could show him, all with a single word.
"Beautiful precious thing." Tharizdun said. "Who or what might you be? I've played across the shores of the elements and the depths of the astral seas, but never have I seen something like you."
"I am the Heart of Darkness" The gemstone replied, smiling into his mind and brushing delicate claws across the god's face, drawing bruises and age-spots across the flesh. "But my newfound friend, you may call me Larsdana, and I have so many things to show you.".
Smiling, Tharizdun reached forward and touched the gemstone.
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Gold Roger
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While I really like most of the loth, I have no beef with them becoming demons. In fact, I'm all in favor of it, as long as we get the cooler ones asap. Mezzodemon is granted, but Ultrodemon, Arcanademon and however the mini-charons where called would be cool as well.
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