Zion Mainframe...

[Wolf72]

*spews drink at keyboard!*

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Good job Neo, you just screwed humanity.

ROTFLMAO !!!

 

[Bagpuss]

First I have to say that I don't think and have never been under the impression that the one is ever the same person, just that a new person is born however often with said powers.

In that case why does the video wall show the reactions of the previous five Neo's all of which appear identical to the current one. The only difference is their reactions.

 

[Bagpuss]

Ah, but there seem to be plenty of people who think it is the same person being continually reborn. Of course there seem to be quite a few people who think Zion was destroy even though it should be fairly clear that didn't happen, oh well.

Fairly clear in what way? Do you mean destroyed in its current form, in which case I agree its clear Zion is still around at the end of the movie. But the film has plenty of references that point to there having been previous Zions that have been 'destroyed' or at least cleaned out.

 

[Welverin]

In that case why does the video wall show the reactions of the previous five Neo's all of which appear identical to the current one. The only difference is their reactions.

They were other possible reactions, things he was thinking, or things the Architect thought he might say.

Furthermore if it the same exact person each time why hasn't Morpheus noticed yet? He was woken up Neo's predecessor after all.

Fairly clear in what way? Do you mean destroyed in its current form, in which case I agree its clear Zion is still around at the end of the movie. But the film has plenty of references that point to there having been previous Zions that have been 'destroyed' or at least cleaned out.

I was refering to the current Zion, not previous incarnations.

 

[John Crichton]

Furthermore if it the same exact person each time why hasn't Morpheus noticed yet? He was woken up Neo's predecessor after all.

Huh? I'm not saying you are wrong, but when did we learn that? I am confused...

 

[Welverin]

Huh? I'm not saying you are wrong, but when did we learn that? I am confused...

The first movie, it's a bit of an assumption and I could be misremembering (my brother has my copy of the movie), but I do seem to recall him saying it was the guy who prophesized the coming of the One that woke him up and from what we learned in Reloaded I figure it must be the same guy.

Anybody want ot check for me? I won't be able to get my copy back for a while.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

I don't recall Morpheus ever saying that...I'm confused as to where you've got that idea from.

Morpheus has spent his whole life looking for Neo, which of course must mean his whole life since being taken out of the Matrix. Morpheus and Smith are the two wild cards, as far as I'm concerned.

Smith is now outside of anyone's control. He's more powerful than other Agents, and presumably more so than most other rogue programs, since he can replicate himself. I'd presume that he can sense Neo to a certain extent as well. This makes him a massive wild card to the plans of the Architect. It's interesting.

 

[Mytholder]

The first movie, it's a bit of an assumption and I could be misremembering (my brother has my copy of the movie), but I do seem to recall him saying it was the guy who prophesized the coming of the One that woke him up and from what we learned in Reloaded I figure it must be the same guy.

Nope. Some guy was born who had the power to affect the Matrix - presumably, the fifth One. He "freed the first of us" - i.e., the people of Zion. Given that was several generations ago (we've met people who were born free, like Tank and Dozer), Morpheus can't have been freed by an earlier one.

Of course, with what we learned in Reloaded, "freeing the first of us" meant "picking 16 women and 7 men, then rebuilding Zion after rebooting the Matrix", which isn't quite as heroic.

 

[John Crichton]

Nope. Some guy was born who had the power to affect the Matrix - presumably, the fifth One. He "freed the first of us" - i.e., the people of Zion. Given that was several generations ago (we've met people who were born free, like Tank and Dozer), Morpheus can't have been freed by an earlier one.

Ah, that's what I thought.

 

[Kesh]

Re: Re: Zion Mainframe...

Either Neo discovered the '2199' world of Zion and such is just another Matrix, or the movie took a very unexpected detour into psi-heavy sci-fi at the end. I think the former's more likely.

Actually, it's a lot further along than that. The current Zion has been in existance for approximately 100 years.

There have been five 'Zions' before this. Assuming a similar timespan, that means we are now over 600 years beyond the rise of the machines.

Assume it took some time for the machines to build the first Matrix, for it to fail, and for them to build the 'real' one. Then, to allow humans to flee the Matrix and build the first Zion.

If we guess the machines rebel in 2099 (for convenience), we're looking at the current year being somewhere around the 29th to 30th century.

{Edit: Minor mistake corrected.}