Zion Mainframe...

[Welverin]

Nope. Some guy was born who had the power to affect the Matrix - presumably, the fifth One. He "freed the first of us" - i.e., the people of Zion. Given that was several generations ago (we've met people who were born free, like Tank and Dozer), Morpheus can't have been freed by an earlier one.

Ok, so I was misremembering, but it's still possible someone is still around who saw/knew him or there are enough records of him for people to have recognized Neo as being the same person. That doesn't seem to be the case so I think we can safely rule out that each iteration of the One is not the same person, which is all I was trying to do.

 

[Mytholder]

Re: Re: Re: Zion Mainframe...

If we guess the machines rebel in 2099 (for convenience), we're looking at the current year being somewhere around the 29th to 30th century.

{Edit: Minor mistake corrected.}

I remember a bit in the first movie on Morpheus' ship where we see a plaque saying, IIRC, "US Navy, 2090" or words to that effect - i.e, the Nebuchanezzar was built in 2090. Any idea on how to reconcile that with Morpheus' words and the timeline...?

 

[Bob Aberton]

Perhaps the (USS?) Nebuchanezzar really was built in 2090 - 10 years before the rise of the machines, and the rebels used/augmented existing technology (ie the hovercrafts) to work with the contemporary realities, somehow keeping the thing running for 600 years?

Or perhaps the current Nebuchanezzar is really just one of a long line of Nebuchanezzars, and the plaque is a memento of sorts commemorating the original one?

 

[Bagpuss]

Ok, so I was misremembering, but it's still possible someone is still around who saw/knew him or there are enough records of him for people to have recognized Neo as being the same person. That doesn't seem to be the case so I think we can safely rule out that each iteration of the One is not the same person, which is all I was trying to do.

I don't think you can say, the Architect said that the part of the purpose of the one was to select individuals to form the new Zion, after the old one is destoryed. The One then returns to the source and perhaps the people he selects to found it never even see him.

So if Zion is founded a new with each iteration, and no one survives from the last Zion ther are no records, physical or tradition. It it therefore very possible that (Neo) The One is the same person (or construct, or clone) each iteration.

The myth of the One therefore needs to seeded in Zion again in each iteration. (Probably with someone meeting the Oracle and having a cookie.)

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

We do not know if every Matrix/Zion pairing lives 100 years - maybe the architect improves the Matrix each time a bit, so it lasts longer, and the current incarnation proved very strong, until the anomaly reoccurs...

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[Quasqueton]

This is bugging me:

It seems that Neo is *supposed* to go in the door to his right (the Source), to reboot the Matrix. But Trinity is through the left door.

Everything the Architect says sounds like he expects Neo to go to the Source despite Trinity's impending death. But everything the Architect has set up (Trinity's predicament) looks to have been designed to drive Neo to Trinity.

Neo goes to Trinity, thus dooming Zion and humanity. If the Architect wanted Neo to "choose" the Source, why was everything arranged to put Trinity in danger? Why not give The One an "easier choice"? Did previous versions of The One choose the Source (and all of humanity) over Trinity?

I can't quite wrap my head around this. Did Neo do what was expected? Or did he do something different this version? Was Zion going to be destroyed with either decision?

Quasqueton

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

Trinity and Neo are not a repeat of what has happened before. The One has never fallen in love before, he has remained detached from the rest of humanity. Therefore, whilst the set-up was almost the same, this time Neo chooses differently to before and tries to save Trinity.

The Architecht mentions that falling in love was a new one for the One.

Being as the Oracle was the one that kind of set the whole love thing up, by telling Trinity she would fall in love with him, this portrays the Oracle in a good light.

 

[kingpaul]

From what I recall of the movie, the Architect said that Neo was the first One who had feelings on a personal level; all the others loved humanity in general, thus went to reboot the Matrix.

 

[Quasqueton]

But why did the Architect show Neo the images of Trinity in danger? If the choice was "go to the Source and save humanity/not go to the Source and kill humanity", the program would have run properly. But showing Neo that Trinity was in danger changed the choice from "save humanity but not Trinity/save Trinity but not humanity" -- a much more difficult choice for a man in love with the second choice.

I've seen the movie twice, and I don't remember his love for Trinity being a surprise to the Architect. Where's that transcript of the Architect's explanation?

Quasqueton

 

[Bagpuss]

It didn't matter if the architect showed Neo that Trinity was in danger or not.

Trinity, as a member of Zion is doomed if he went through the other door and went with the destruction of Zion and reboot.

So Neo didn't really have a choice. Which was part of the point of the film, that choice is an illusion.

Are the people of Zion really in control of the machines they depend on for heat, light and water. Neo says they could choose to switch them off, which shows they are in control. But if they did they would die so they really don't have that choice.