D&D (2024) What's not going to cost discipline points for the Monk to do now?

[Horwath]

And again, you've summed up the fundamental issue here: casters/half-casters care about rests to get their resources back whenever they need them, but don't care about anyone who gains stuff back on a short rest.

It's purely a refusal to engage with a basic game mechanic the game is balanced around because some people are just selfish, and then complaining when their own selfishness negatively impacts the effectiveness of other PCs.

that's the problem.
Short rest is not short.
If it's 1 to 5 min long then no problem.

But if I have my Summon aberration out(beholderkin), that attacks twice per round at 150ft range for 1d8+7 damage, do you really think your pathetic 7 ki pts are worth losing that?

 

[strawbellebelle]

that's the problem.
Short rest is not short.
If it's 1 to 5 min long then no problem.

But if I have my Summon aberration out(beholderkin), that attacks twice per round at 150ft range for 1d8+7 damage, do you really think your pathetic 7 ki pts are worth losing that?

Then see how likely your fellow party members are to protect you from having your concentration broken, once they realize you care only about what you can do.

 

[Horwath]

Then see how likely your fellow party members are to protect you from having your concentration broken, once they realize you care only about what you can do.

if no one else needs rest, and we cannot have a long rest then getting 7 ki pts over 4th level slot for spellcaster is 100% net loss for entire party.

That is problem with 5E. or two more precisely.
Short rest is not short.

Not all classes benefit from short rest. In fact, most casters lose with short rest as theirs long rest resource(spell duration) is wasted on short rests.

 

[strawbellebelle]

if no one else needs rest, and we cannot have a long rest then getting 7 ki pts over 4th level slot for spellcaster is 100% net loss for entire party.

That is problem with 5E. or two more precisely.
Short rest is not short.

Not all classes benefit from short rest. In fact, most casters lose with short rest as theirs long rest resource(spell duration) is wasted on short rests.

And as always, "no one else needs rest" means "I don't need rest".

 

[Horwath]

And as always, "no one else needs rest" means "I don't need rest".

Please read again,
is 7 ki pts worth a 4th level slot?

 

[strawbellebelle]

Please read again,
is 7 ki pts worth a 4th level slot?

If that's the metric you live by, then you might as well kick any player who posits the idea of playing a non-caster at Session 0.

(Never mind that said metric applies only to an extremely narrow scenario you invented solely to create said metric, which won't mean anything to 99% of players and campaigns...)

 

[Horwath]

If that's the metric you live by, then you might as well kick any player who posits the idea of playing a non-caster at Session 0.

(Never mind that said metric applies only to an extremely narrow scenario you invented solely to create said metric, which won't mean anything to 99% of players and campaigns...)

Or non-caster players know the game and realize what can be gained and lost during short rest.

Or just house rule short rests at 1 min and everyone is happy.

 

[Horwath]

(Never mind that said metric applies only to an extremely narrow scenario you invented solely to create said metric, which won't mean anything to 99% of players and campaigns...)

Insert any spell with duration of 1hr(maybe even 10 minutes) that has combat value.

 

[James Gasik]

If the playtest Barbarian Rage ends up in the 2024 PHB, you're going to have Barbarians wanting to skip short rests to keep their Rage going through multiple encounters as well.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

that's the problem.
Short rest is not short.
If it's 1 to 5 min long then no problem.

But if I have my Summon aberration out(beholderkin), that attacks twice per round at 150ft range for 1d8+7 damage, do you really think your pathetic 7 ki pts are worth losing that?

Lol um…yes. Your spell can suck it, those ki points are going to do much more.