D&D 5E Bard Magical secrets and paladin spells question

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kolpo

First Post

• Apr 12, 2015

• #1

In the magical secret description does it sound like you can take a paladin level 5 spell when you are only level 10. But a paladin only get's those spells at level 17 and some of them like Banishing smite are clearly balanced with that in mind.

I guess you can never get a spell before the level the actual class needs to be to get it, but I can't find that rule in the player handbook. Anyone knows what going on?

 

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CapnZapp

Legend

• Apr 12, 2015

• #2

You have understood correctly. There is no such rule.

If you don't want bards in your campaign to take these spells long before the paladin gets them, you will have to forbid that with a house rule.

 

C

Celtavian

Dragon Lord

• Apr 12, 2015

• #3

Those spells are cool for a martial bard.

 

R

Riley37

First Post

• Apr 12, 2015

• #4

As Paladin spells, they are balanced with what Paladins can do at level 17.

If you learn Banishing Smite as a Magical Secret, it is now a level 5 spell *on your Bard spell list*. Balance is for people who aren't bards, also known as "suckers".

If you have good DEX and tend to have a shortbow handy, learn Swift Quiver; that takes Concentration and Bonus Action, so you can't combine it with Crusader's Mantle etc.

 

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal

• Apr 12, 2015

• #5

It's balanced as a level 5 spell vs. other level 5 spells, not as a "character level 17" spell.

 

B

bganon

Explorer

• Apr 12, 2015

• #6

Yes, it's balanced as a spell. Banishing Smite is great, but so are Cone of Cold, Cloudkill, Wall of Force, etc...

 

M

Mephista

Adventurer

• Apr 12, 2015

• #7

I'd argue that Swift Quiver and some paladin Smites are almost required for the Valor Bard at level 10 if they want to stay competitive with the other classes. Its not a potentially broken bug, its a feature.

 

Last edited: Apr 12, 2015

P

PnPgamer

Explorer

• Apr 13, 2015

• #8

Its the reason why go to bards, those nasty spellthieves!

 

S

SirAntoine

Banned

Banned

• Apr 13, 2015

• #9

It's purely over-powered.

 

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Riley37

First Post

• Apr 13, 2015

• #10

Thief, thief! Bardses! We hates them, we hates them forever!