D&D 5E D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

tombowings said:

No. It means, let's be inclusive without actively trying to promote an agenda.

Including gays characters = good.
Including gay characters in order to promote a certain ideology = bad.

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FrogReaver said:

Didn't mean to offend with my choice of the world "lifestyle". I didn't have a much better word there. I think it can be described as a lifestyle though, but there probably is a better word. Any suggestions?

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FrogReaver said:

But the flip side is that there's a relatively large segment of the population that doesn't understand why they do it and that probably plays a large part in them finding it offensive. Then there's also this "normalize it" push. Even if a person accepts that the reason you tell the world that you are gay is because you are not ashamed of being gay and that it's for personal reasons the gay person does that it still doesn't mean they are going to be comfortable with the idea of the gay lifestyle being normalized.

Call them bad people and bigots and so on. That doesn't change their comfortablity level. Instead it makes it feel like a hostile takeover is being mounted where a gay persons comfortableness is more important than their own.

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Yunru said:

Honestly I just don't get gay pride parades. Are they for promoting an end to sexual orientation stigma, or they just "We're gay and proud"?

Because the former is a cause I support, but the latter is an example of "Good for you, stop waving it in my face."

I understand "coming out" to family and friends, but total strangers?

Of course if it's the former then... well I can't think of any other examples of that behaviour.

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Yunru said:

Honestly I just don't get gay pride parades. Are they for promoting an end to sexual orientation stigma, or they just "We're gay and proud"?

Because the former is a cause I support, but the latter is an example of "Good for you, stop waving it in my face."

I understand "coming out" to family and friends, but total strangers?

Of course if it's the former then... well I can't think of any other examples of that behaviour.

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Irda Ranger said:

This makes no sense. You're saying that the results are meaningless, it's only the motives that matter?

So if Crawford never gave the interview, you'd be fine? Or if he said that 5% of the NPCs are gay because 5% of the population in the Forgotten Realms is gay, so it's just an accurate simulation, you'd be fine?

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FrogReaver said:

Even if it's for an end to sexual orientation stigma it's still done as an in your face display.

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FrogReaver said:

The public displays of affection is a thing. There is a different reaction to hetero people and homo people doing it. Just curious. Are gay people bothered by hetero public displays of affection? I mean besides the full all out get a hotel room type stuff that other heterosexual people typically don't even tolerate?

Because there is a difference if homo people are not bothered by hetero displays of affection but hetero people are bothered by homo displays of affection but hetero people are bothered by homo displays of affection then that double standard isn't really a double standard anymore. Oh sure if you try to frame it as hetero vs homo you may can make that point but it's not. It's about each groups comfort level with the other and that's where the differences lie.

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Cognomen's Cassowary said:

Yes, the difference there is that the heteros are bigots, while the gay people are not.

Or, to be slightly less pointed about it, the difference is that the cultural products we have all been inundated with our entire lives normalize heterosexuality while largely ignoring (if not fully denigrating) homosexuality, thus increasing people's comfort level for open heterosexual affection and decreasing that for open gay affection.

This is exactly why it is so important that cultural products like D&D show the variety of sexual and romantic relationships in the world, to raise comfort levels and eliminate the stigma that the presently under-represented people have to bear.

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