D&D 5E Treantmonk's Guide to Wizards 5e

Treantmonklvl20 · Dec 5, 2015

Hemlock said:
Consider that a wizard's familiar can grant him advantage on GFB, but not on more than one weapon attacks. Familiar disproportionately benefit cantrips over Extra Attack/dual wielding.

It is a matter of some long standing debate whether a familiar, which is unable to take the attack action, but can deliver touch spells can in fact provide advantage on attack rolls. You are likely to get different arbitration from different DM's.

Celtavian · Dec 5, 2015

Treantmonklvl20 said:
It is a matter of some long standing debate whether a familiar, which is unable to take the attack action, but can deliver touch spells can in fact provide advantage on attack rolls. You are likely to get different arbitration from different DM's.

Officially they can give advantage on attack rolls. They can use the Help action with no limitation. Any other ruling would be a house rule. This has been confirmed by the designers via The Sage/Twitter. They also count as an enemy of the target for Sneak Attack as well making that spell a very good option for Arcane Tricksters.

Treantmonklvl20 · Dec 5, 2015

Celtavian said:
Officially they can give advantage on attack rolls. They can use the Help action with no limitation. Any other ruling would be a house rule. This has been confirmed by the designers via The Sage/Twitter. They also count as an ally for Sneak Attack as well making that spell a very good option for Arcane Tricksters.

Any chance you still have a link to the relevant tweet? That would be very useful for a lot of players I expect. I would post a link under the Find Familiar spell in my guide for easy-access.

Celtavian · Dec 5, 2015

Treantmonklvl20 said:
Any chance you still have a link to the relevant tweet? That would be very useful for a lot of players I expect. I would post a link under the Find Familiar spell in my guide for easy-access.

http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/12/02/two-familiar-questions/

http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/11/25/can-a-familiar-use-help-to-grant-advantage-at-range/

Confirmed multiple times by both Mearls and Crawford. I think you were probably doing what I've done multiple times: assumed a Pathfinder/3E rule like needing to actually be able to threaten a creature to Help or the like. In this edition, there is no threaten. Ally or enemy regardless of if they threaten or can actually attack the enemy.

UngeheuerLich · Dec 5, 2015

The familiar has 1 hp. Not a very good use to have the familiar linger in melee for too long.
[MENTION=20564]Blue[/MENTION] Longbow has a range of 150. So a longbow has its uses in ope areas. Also bladesong is only 2 per short rest. Its entirely possible that you don't want to use it all the time.

Really depends on playstyle and how common short rests are.
The sling only has a range of 30ft. So when you could use a sling you usually have better things to do.

Treantmonklvl20 · Dec 5, 2015

Celtavian said:
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/12/02/two-familiar-questions/

http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/11/25/can-a-familiar-use-help-to-grant-advantage-at-range/

Confirmed multiple times by both Mearls and Crawford. I think you were probably doing what I've done multiple times: assumed a Pathfinder/3E rule like needing to actually be able to threaten a creature to Help or the like. In this edition, there is no threaten. Ally or enemy regardless of if they threaten or can actually attack the enemy.

Thank you! I've updated my FF description with the links.

Blue · Dec 5, 2015

YES, there are corner cases where longbow and no bladesong is better than all of the other options from a full caster who can have bladesong and use spells, melee, or other ranged all of which are useful regardless if you have bladesong active or not and won't prematurely end your bladesong if you decide you want to use it.

That's the third time I've posted that. You haven't addressed it. If you are going to reply, please talk to it. Don't point out a corner case, that doesn't further your argument because that's not a point we're arguing over. We're in agreement on that.

UngeheuerLich · Dec 5, 2015

I just don't agree that we are talking about a corner case.

FormerlyHemlock · Dec 5, 2015

UngeheuerLich said:
The familiar has 1 hp. Not a very good use to have the familiar linger in melee for too long.

The standard ploy is to use an Owl familiar (Flyby: doesn't provoke opportunity attacks) and have it Help and then fly upwards out of melee reach.

UngeheuerLich · Dec 5, 2015

Have to look it up. Can you flyby when using the help action? And still it is not completely without danger. The owl is only 15 ft away with 1 hp and low AC.

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