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Raven Crowking
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Scribble said:
Of course not. But that is par for the course for subjective definition. Not only does one subjective definition not invalidate another subjective definition, but it is entirely possible (and norma) to accept more than one subjective definition at the same time.
The fact that calling Dr Pepper "Coke" doesn't invalidate the definition of "Coca Cola being a beverage manufactured and sold by the Coca Cola company" doesn't make either definition objective. Neither definition invalidates the other.
RC
Agamon
Adventurer
Who calls a Dr. Pepper a Coke? Is root beer also cream soda? Maybe Sprite is Mountain Dew? The best I can come up with is calling Coke and Pepsi both colas.
And with how this analogy compares to RPGs, calling a Dr. Pepper a Coke is like calling WFRPG D&D. The different D&Ds are like the different Cokes. I liken 4e to Coke Zero. Good stuff.
And with how this analogy compares to RPGs, calling a Dr. Pepper a Coke is like calling WFRPG D&D. The different D&Ds are like the different Cokes. I liken 4e to Coke Zero. Good stuff.
theredrobedwizard
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Who calls a Dr. Pepper a Coke? Is root beer also cream soda? Maybe Sprite is Mountain Dew? The best I can come up with is calling Coke and Pepsi both colas.
And with how this analogy compares to RPGs, calling a Dr. Pepper a Coke is like calling WFRPG D&D. The different D&Ds are like the different Cokes. I liken 4e to Coke Zero. Good stuff.
It's mostly a Southern US thing. When I was traveling through that region, I'd stop at restaurants and frequently be asked "What kinda coke you want?". I quickly found out that there a multitude of options besides Regular / Diet / Cherry / Vanilla / Zero. It turns out that coke is their slang for any carbonated beverage.
This also carries over to RPGs in that - when explaining them to someone who doesn't have any first hand knowledge of the genre - the catchall explaination is "It's like Dungeons and Dragons, kinda.".
Also, I don't think 4e is Coke Zero, because Coke Zero has artificial sweeteners, which are horrible for you. 4e is more like Coke Classic; same basic flavor as the original, even if the formula has changed over the years.
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BryonD
Hero
I grew up in the Atlanta area (still live here). This is 100% true.
It is fading out some, at least in Metro Atlanta, but it is still very present.
But when I was a kid, that was exactly how it was.
I had some Yankee family come visit once and one asked me if I wanted a "pop". I had no idea what they were saying.
This
As a resident of the South (nashville Tn), but with relatives in the mid-west, I can back this up. Down here the vast vast majority call all soda's Cokes. It is obviously big enough that for a while Pepsi had Steve Harvey (I belive) doing "If you want a Pepsi, ask for a Pepsi" Ad spots.
And yes, if I were playing WHFRPG I would tell my co-workers and family I was playing D&D.
Most of these subjective terms are what I would consider Hypothetical Construsts. The words don't mean anything, untill someone (hopefully the user) puts a meaning to it (that is hopefully understood by the listener).
Video-gamey to me has no meaning because I don't play video games.
But to the person who uses it, it has a meaning (vague or well-defined but a meaning).
RK
As a resident of the South (nashville Tn), but with relatives in the mid-west, I can back this up. Down here the vast vast majority call all soda's Cokes. It is obviously big enough that for a while Pepsi had Steve Harvey (I belive) doing "If you want a Pepsi, ask for a Pepsi" Ad spots.
And yes, if I were playing WHFRPG I would tell my co-workers and family I was playing D&D.
Most of these subjective terms are what I would consider Hypothetical Construsts. The words don't mean anything, untill someone (hopefully the user) puts a meaning to it (that is hopefully understood by the listener).
Video-gamey to me has no meaning because I don't play video games.
But to the person who uses it, it has a meaning (vague or well-defined but a meaning).
RK
Desdichado
Hero
Tens of millions of people (including me) call Dr. Pepper Coke.Who calls a Dr. Pepper a Coke? Is root beer also cream soda? Maybe Sprite is Mountain Dew? The best I can come up with is calling Coke and Pepsi both colas.
And with how this analogy compares to RPGs, calling a Dr. Pepper a Coke is like calling WFRPG D&D. The different D&Ds are like the different Cokes. I liken 4e to Coke Zero. Good stuff.
http://popvssoda.com:2998/
Check out that map. The red areas are where folks call any carbonated soft drink a coke.
The definition clearly isn't as clear cut as Scribb,e (?) makes it out to be, and anyone who even casually studies linguistics knows that. Words mean what people think they mean, and meanings change all the time.
Raven Crowking
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This is true for all words, all phrases, and all language. No word or phrase has a meaning that is objective.
RC
Raven Crowking
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yes but
Yes, that is true. However, their are words that have such an accepted definition that the meaning is considered objective. If I use the word hair, people are going to know what I mean. There is no reason to get a consensus on the meaning. If I use the word Intelligence you have to get either a "this is what I mean" or a "For this discussion, this is what we are meaning"
RK
Yes, that is true. However, their are words that have such an accepted definition that the meaning is considered objective. If I use the word hair, people are going to know what I mean. There is no reason to get a consensus on the meaning. If I use the word Intelligence you have to get either a "this is what I mean" or a "For this discussion, this is what we are meaning"
RK
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