Necromancer Games NOT going with current GSL.

[Merlin the Tuna]

This is a real shame. I'm not a big buyer in general and have especially not done much with the 3rd party market, but I was really hoping to be able to pick some stuff up from Necro, if only for how well Clark handled himself around here as all the world erupted in flame wars. No amount of goodwill is going to get me to sign on with Pathfinder, though; I've seen all I need to of that line.

 

[Gothmog]

Man, this sucks. I really hope Clark and the Necro guys can get the GSL issues worked out and be able to print 4e materials. I love Necro's previous stuff, but I have absoultely NO interest in Pathfinder- its just more broken than 3.5 in all the same areas, and adds more problems. So if they go only the Pathfinder route, they have lost me as a customer, and I daresay, a large portion of the current D&D players.

 

[Darrin Drader]

Good. More quality support for Pathfinder, more products that will be useful to me.

 

[carmachu]

Funny weird or funny ha-ha?

ha ha funny. side spliting funny.

I remember watching him telling folks be calm and patient...the new OGL and SRD was coming and have faith. Have faith in 4e....

then the GSL came and it looked like wotcsucker punched him. I can see how he's going to get a seperate deal or a good clarification for more of a 3PP benefit....

 

[FATDRAGONGAMES]

Not surprised, but I am disappointed.

 

[Aus_Snow]

I hope the business does well, regardless of systems and licenses being supported and used. They've earned that, I think. And the continuing respect and support of gamers, what's more.

Re: the GSL itself, to borrow Clark's words: '[T]he GSL is a total unmitigated failure.'

Yes, indeed.

 

[Sunderstone]

So if they go only the Pathfinder route, they have lost me as a customer, and I daresay, a large portion of the current D&D players.

Interesting thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago at "the" FLGS of NYC.
I was talking to the owner and he said beyond the initial sales due to it being new it wasnt selling all that well. He also asked me if I had checked out Pathfinder yet. It seems Pathfinder is selling well.

He said 4E is too different and didnt seem to like it. He also thought the GSL was ridiculous (though I forget his exact wording).

Im just stating this because NYC is a well poulated city and this particular FLGS is pretty well known, so I dont know how much of "a large portion of current D&D players" they will lose. I know its just one FLGS in one city (and im not saying its the RPG capital of the world) but what are you basing your assumption on?

 

[Darrin Drader]

I hope the business does well, regardless of systems and licenses being supported and used. They've earned that, I think. And the continuing respect and support of gamers, what's more.

Re: the GSL itself, to borrow Clark's words: '[T]he GSL is a total unmitigated failure.'

Yes, indeed.

It's my belief that the GSL is only a failure if WotC actually wanted other publishers supporting D&D. It's a huge success if they didn't because very few serious publishers are going to agree to the terms of the GSL (I'm only counting one so far). Before the GSL was released, I was seriously considering doing 4th edition work for whoever needed it. When I saw it, I realized that this was going to be bad for publishers, thereby bad for freelancers, and I decided to wholly support open gaming.

Clark made the right decision. Like him, I'll reconsider my decision not to support 4E if the GSL is changed (I don't hold out much hope that it will happen any time soon), but until that time I'm supporting the company with the market leverage to get a quality alternate new edition of the game out there under the OGL and hopefully make it into a success.

 

[Baron Opal]

I am disappointed too. While I and my group are still playing 3.x, we are looking forward to 4e. I don't have the free time anymore that I used to and I rely heavily on modifying published adventures. Given that a couple of my players are rather young or squeamish I'm hesitant to use some of the Paizo stuff now. (The whole hillbilly ogre thing doesn't fly, for example.)

From what I've heard of Keep on the Shadowfell it requires some heavy retooling for the flow of the story. And I already have the rules so I don't need the quick start pack. I was really looking forward to adventures from Necromancer. I guess I'll have to make due with only Goodman and Dungeon.

Dammit.

 

[Aus_Snow]

It's my belief that the GSL is only a failure if WotC actually wanted other publishers supporting D&D. It's a huge success if they didn't because very few serious publishers are going to agree to the terms of the GSL (I'm only counting one so far).

True. I should've put it more in terms of agreeing with Clark's words, if assuming hypothetically that the license was seriously intended to 'work'. That's what I meant. I've actually posted here recently, saying things along similar lines (i.e., that it is pretty much a joke, and well, how could it be other than intentionally so - they're smart guys 'over there'.)