Not sure if anyone else has corrected this, but Invigorating THP don't stack by default. Part of the Battlerage Vigor feature is that it makes them stack, nowhere in the rules for Invigorating does it say they stack so they don't stack otherwise.
Official ruling on Battlerager Vigor mechanics
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the8bitdeity
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It's Crushing Surge. It's basically an invigorating Basic Melee Attack. I'm playin g a hammer + shield warforged, but not a battle rager. I'm swapping out my non-Tide of Iron At Will for Crushing Surge at level 6 just for an at will to give me some THP.
SableWyvern
Cruel Despot
Actually, it would appear that there is ambiguity.
I read "stacks with other temporary hp" to mean "stacks with all other temp hp". Many people in this thread read it to mean "stacks with temp hp gained from sources other than invigorating powers".
James McMurray
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That's not ambiguity, it's reading comprehension. Seeing "those temporary hit points stack with any other temporary
hit points you already have." and taking it to mean "those temporary hit points stack with any other temporary
hit points you already have, except for invigorating ones" has nothing to do with ambiguous text.
If I were to say "when you get green M&Ms, they can go into a bowl with any other M&Ms you already have" and someone were to infer that I meant "other M&Ms unless they're green" they're reading too much in to a straightforward sentence. The same is true here.
Is it possible the designers wanted us to track things seperately and intended that invigorating powers not stack with one another? Possible, but unlikely. But even if that's what they wanted, they'll need an errata to enforce it, because it's not the rule that made it out the door.
hit points you already have." and taking it to mean "those temporary hit points stack with any other temporary
hit points you already have, except for invigorating ones" has nothing to do with ambiguous text.
If I were to say "when you get green M&Ms, they can go into a bowl with any other M&Ms you already have" and someone were to infer that I meant "other M&Ms unless they're green" they're reading too much in to a straightforward sentence. The same is true here.
Is it possible the designers wanted us to track things seperately and intended that invigorating powers not stack with one another? Possible, but unlikely. But even if that's what they wanted, they'll need an errata to enforce it, because it's not the rule that made it out the door.
themilkman
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I've seen a few people mention tracking different sources of temp HP, which seems very weird to me. Where is this coming from?
The temporary HP section of the PHB is much clearer than many other sections, and MP only lays down one modification of that rule (so far) for BRV + Invigorating powers. How did this devolve into having multiple pools of HP and all the other strangeness that people have extracted from this?
James McMurray
First Post
I don't know.
Easy but very hard to explain, least to say they could of used different wording and made it easy on everybody. They should of just stuck to their main rule of no stacking THP ever.
EDIT: And what Abyssaldeath said below too.
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abyssaldeath
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I think it's because some people (me included when I first read it) read "those temporary hit points stack with any other temporary hit points" and miss the next tree words "you already have". Maybe it's they are too excited, shocked or mad, I don't know.
Doctor Proctor
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Okay, there's a LOT of misunderstandings of how this is working here. It's really simple, but it's being needlessly overcomplicated.
You have Temp HP's that are granted from various sources, one of those being Battlerager Vigor. Temp HP's do not stack. So if you have 4 temp HP and you're hit by a melee attack for 2 damage, and you would gain 4 Temp HP from BV (18 CON) then you would have a total of 4 Temp HP since they don't stack.
The only new thing here is that Invigorating powers grant Temp HP that stacks with any Temp HP you already have. So assuming you have 4 Temp HP, and then hit with an Invigorating power, you gain 4 Temp HP that stack with the Temp HP you already have. So now you have 8 Temp HP. Not 4 of one kind and 4 of another, it's just 8 Temp HP, and they follow the normal rules of no stacking except when an Invigorating power is used.
So if you have 8 Temp HP from any source and then you get hit for 2 damage, you will have 6 Temp HP. You will then gain no Temp HP because you already have more temp HP than you'd be gaining. If you then attack with an Invigorating power, it will grant 4 Temp HP that will stack with the Temp HP that you already have, thus giving you 10 Temp HP.
If you want, here's a crappy analogy to explain how the Temp HP's interact. Let's say you have two friends, Jack (Normal Temp HP) and Diane (Invigorating Temp HP). Jack and Diane each give you money periodically. When Jack decides to give you money he picks an amount and then only gives you enough money to get up to that amount. If he wants to give you $4 and you have no money, then he gives you $4. If you already have $2, then he'll only give you $2 to get you up to $4. If you have $6, he calls you a rich ******* and doesn't give you anything.
Diane, on the other hand, is very generous. She always gives you $4 no matter how much money you have. If you have $0, $2, $4 or $6, it doesn't matter, she'll give you an extra $4. Understand?
You have Temp HP's that are granted from various sources, one of those being Battlerager Vigor. Temp HP's do not stack. So if you have 4 temp HP and you're hit by a melee attack for 2 damage, and you would gain 4 Temp HP from BV (18 CON) then you would have a total of 4 Temp HP since they don't stack.
The only new thing here is that Invigorating powers grant Temp HP that stacks with any Temp HP you already have. So assuming you have 4 Temp HP, and then hit with an Invigorating power, you gain 4 Temp HP that stack with the Temp HP you already have. So now you have 8 Temp HP. Not 4 of one kind and 4 of another, it's just 8 Temp HP, and they follow the normal rules of no stacking except when an Invigorating power is used.
So if you have 8 Temp HP from any source and then you get hit for 2 damage, you will have 6 Temp HP. You will then gain no Temp HP because you already have more temp HP than you'd be gaining. If you then attack with an Invigorating power, it will grant 4 Temp HP that will stack with the Temp HP that you already have, thus giving you 10 Temp HP.
If you want, here's a crappy analogy to explain how the Temp HP's interact. Let's say you have two friends, Jack (Normal Temp HP) and Diane (Invigorating Temp HP). Jack and Diane each give you money periodically. When Jack decides to give you money he picks an amount and then only gives you enough money to get up to that amount. If he wants to give you $4 and you have no money, then he gives you $4. If you already have $2, then he'll only give you $2 to get you up to $4. If you have $6, he calls you a rich ******* and doesn't give you anything.
Diane, on the other hand, is very generous. She always gives you $4 no matter how much money you have. If you have $0, $2, $4 or $6, it doesn't matter, she'll give you an extra $4. Understand?
Obryn
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